• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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      3 hours ago

      That’s actually a huge problem I’ve had with a right winger.

      Even though he was relatively reasonable, we got stuck because we could not agree on what fascism means.

      I was good to use a dictionary or better yet Wikipedia. He said it can only mean what Mussolini meant when he came up with the term.

      What was annoying is that all I wanted to do was say, group X does Y things, Y things are fascism and fascism is bad.

      It’s just mental gymnastics because it doesn’t matter what we call it, group X is still doing bad things, but instead we got stuck on details.

      Imo this is pretty much all right wing’s only play, dismantle the tools of logic so the conversation doesn’t even happen in the first place.

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        Mussolini also said that fascism was whatever it needed to be in the nation it was in, for future reference. There is only the pragmatic consolidation of power.

        It does not even matter if is the state consolidating power, or the church, or corporations, only that the process is aimed at merging their powers in the end.

      • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        6 hours ago

        Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

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        12 hours ago

        I would’ve made you pay him. Every tariff is a tax but not every tax is a tariff. Of course your actual point still stands.

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            4 hours ago

            According to Merriam-Webster, “income tax” is a synonym of “value-added tax” and “property tax”. And it can be, depending on context, but few people would argue that they are always synonymous. It’s the same with “tariff” and “tax”. Whether or not they are synonymous depends on context.

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            9 hours ago

            My point exactly. The bet was about whether “tariff” and “tax” are synonymous. They aren’t synonymous if they describe different things, even if one of those things is a subset of the other. (This is complicated a bit by the fact that synonymity is context-dependent so in some contexts they can be synonymous. I’m assuming a general context.)

            To give a different example, every iPhone is a smartphone but not every smartphone is an iPhone. The two terms aren’t synonymous except in specific contexts like when discussing the inventory of an Apple store.

            In a general context, I would argue that the bet is lost – tariffs are taxes but taxes encompass more than just tariffs. The definition of synonymity is not fulfilled.

            The actual point of the bet, namely to illustrate that tariffs are paid by people in the country that raised them (because they are taxes on imported goods and services), remains valid.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              7 minutes ago

              thesauris.com, merriam-webster, and collins all disagree with you.

              They aren’t synonymous if they describe different things

              This is clearly false. Obviously the degree of difference determines whether terms are synonymous. You’re correct that not all taxes are tariffs. Apparently however that doesn’t mean they’re not synonyms.

              Additionally one term being a subset of the other evidently does not preclude being a synonym.

              If you have a bet, and every dictionary says that you’re wrong, then you should just graciously pay up.

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      11 hours ago

      It’s anti-intellectualism.

      You don’t need to understand any of it, you can just ask people who spend their lives researching this stuff.