• Kichae@lemmy.ca
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    9 hours ago

    Of course the employee is wrong, but the OOP isn’t tackling the argument in a really productive way. There’s an opportunity to meet the employee where they are.

    People caught in the right wing noise machine always seem to understand that businesses pass on business taxes to the consumer. So, if other countries were paying the tariffs, why wouldn’t they pass those costs on?

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 hours ago

      Did you read the post? It sounds like they explained it thoroughly to them prior to the tariffs going into effect and it went in one ear and out the other.

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        5 hours ago

        I read the post. I understood the post. Did you understand what I said?

        You can be perfectly correct, or you can reach people who reject reality. You gotta decide on your goals, and understand that peacocking on the Internet isn’t useful.

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          4 hours ago

          You gotta decide on your goals, and understand that peacocking on the Internet isn’t useful.

          Is that what I did?

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      7 hours ago

      Yeah, whenever people say “the other country pays” (well, before this election cycle) what they meant was that the higher price would encourage shoppers to buy domestic this the other country “pays” because they get less revenue. Prices would go up either way though because of the domestic goods were cheaper they would’ve already been the first pick. The thing about taxes is that it doesn’t really matter if it’s placed on the supply or demand side, the end effect is the same. Sure, it will feel different and there might be different short term effects, but it’s the same regardless. The price is higher and government gets a cut.

      So I don’t really understand why people believe that even if the foreign country/company was paying the tariff why people would think prices stay the same. As if other countries are just going to get a 25% fee and not increase prices by ~25% to cover that.

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        6 hours ago

        The most charitable argument for Trump would be that foreign businesses reduce their prices such that the price paid by their US customers is the same as before the tariffs to remain competitive in the US market, but I think most MAGAs literally just never thought about it.

    • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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      6 hours ago

      I get what you’re saying but you’re reinforcing the belief that other countries are paying the tariffs. They’re not paying anything. A tariff is a direct tax on anyone importing products into the country.

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        5 hours ago

        I’m not reinforcing anything. I’m saying bypass that part entirely, and use the conservative talking points against taxes to discuss this. That the end consumer is ultimately the one that pays, no matter what.