Agreed. So you wrote a shitty web page that breaks constantly, but you still wasn’t me to download it as an “app” so you can track me better? No thanks.
For the record, I am a C/Dart/Rust native dev 2+ years deep in a pretty big project full of highly async code. This shit would’ve been done a year ago if the stack was web based instead of 100% native code
The tone of this comment is frustrated at web development and the software industry in general, not angry at you.
God fucking damn if you’re developing it in a web stack then just make it a fucking goddamn website! Stop making me have ro have yet another goddamn chromium instance open so that you can have a more invasive data harvesting program! You might be making things “easier” (I’ll get to that in a second) on yourself by developing it in a familiar area, but you’re just offloading the cost of not doing a proper goddamn job writing your program in an appropriate language onto the people running it!
As for it being easier, JavaScript is a goddamn fucking nightmare. Low level threading stuff like you work on is a different flavor of pain in the ass, hard to compare magnitudes. JavaScript is single threaded but cosplays as multithreaded and it’s awful, and the loose typing makes me appreciate having to type the equivalent of the wheel of time in java. There’s 2 situations in which it’s easier–you already have a website and want to make it into a desktop app (FUCK YOU!), and consistency on every operating system is number one on your priority list (which is becoming less and less valid as linux support gets easier and easier). Developing a program in a language unsuited for it makes it more difficult, not easier.
I’m not angry at you here! I’m angry at companies putting everything out as electron apps and at doing front end webdev.
Easy to make? Have you worked with JavaScript before? It’s an absolute mess and full of footguns.
And I assume your project doesn’t use async code for shits and giggles? Async code is just as hard in JavaScript except that everything is single threaded anyway.
And even assuming that it really is easier to make: I’d rather have fewer well made applications than hundreds of crappy ones. Each fucking application having to redistribute a whole ass browser is insane, and they’re all slow despite needing massive resources.
Yeah this is on me, I’ve never done web dev in my life. Always been low level shit for me. (The project is a highly networked system with isolates, async/await, futures, etc)
But damn man comparatively JS/TS seems a lot easier ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
That is true, Typescript and JavaScript look easier. And heck if all you want to do is make the money dance on your web page it really is easier.
But writing actual application? That does actual work with error handling? Hell, no.
It honestly baffles me that anyone would use JavaScript of their own free will, unless that’s the only language you know.
Well, and there’s also just lots of webpages implemented as an SPA – Single-Page Application.
Which you might be able to register in your browser as a PWA – Progressive Web App.
And which are just generally equally as interactive as an app, so good luck explaining the difference to folks who don’t care about implementation specifics…
You can probably add “website” to the list.
Hm, this one intrigues me: what is commonly referred to as a website, without actually being a website?
A webapp. Or the <use our app instead> apps.
I think they meant all of the apps that are just a website with a wrapper.
This infuriates me to no end. I have a web browser thank you
Electron apps should be taken out back and shot
Agreed. So you wrote a shitty web page that breaks constantly, but you still wasn’t me to download it as an “app” so you can track me better? No thanks.
Honestly? They’re based for being so easy to make
For the record, I am a C/Dart/Rust native dev 2+ years deep in a pretty big project full of highly async code. This shit would’ve been done a year ago if the stack was web based instead of 100% native code
The tone of this comment is frustrated at web development and the software industry in general, not angry at you.
God fucking damn if you’re developing it in a web stack then just make it a fucking goddamn website! Stop making me have ro have yet another goddamn chromium instance open so that you can have a more invasive data harvesting program! You might be making things “easier” (I’ll get to that in a second) on yourself by developing it in a familiar area, but you’re just offloading the cost of not doing a proper goddamn job writing your program in an appropriate language onto the people running it!
As for it being easier, JavaScript is a goddamn fucking nightmare. Low level threading stuff like you work on is a different flavor of pain in the ass, hard to compare magnitudes. JavaScript is single threaded but cosplays as multithreaded and it’s awful, and the loose typing makes me appreciate having to type the equivalent of the wheel of time in java. There’s 2 situations in which it’s easier–you already have a website and want to make it into a desktop app (FUCK YOU!), and consistency on every operating system is number one on your priority list (which is becoming less and less valid as linux support gets easier and easier). Developing a program in a language unsuited for it makes it more difficult, not easier.
I’m not angry at you here! I’m angry at companies putting everything out as electron apps and at doing front end webdev.
Easy to make? Have you worked with JavaScript before? It’s an absolute mess and full of footguns.
And I assume your project doesn’t use async code for shits and giggles? Async code is just as hard in JavaScript except that everything is single threaded anyway.
And even assuming that it really is easier to make: I’d rather have fewer well made applications than hundreds of crappy ones. Each fucking application having to redistribute a whole ass browser is insane, and they’re all slow despite needing massive resources.
Yeah this is on me, I’ve never done web dev in my life. Always been low level shit for me. (The project is a highly networked system with isolates, async/await, futures, etc)
But damn man comparatively JS/TS seems a lot easier ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
That is true, Typescript and JavaScript look easier. And heck if all you want to do is make the money dance on your web page it really is easier.
But writing actual application? That does actual work with error handling? Hell, no. It honestly baffles me that anyone would use JavaScript of their own free will, unless that’s the only language you know.
Well, and there’s also just lots of webpages implemented as an SPA – Single-Page Application.
Which you might be able to register in your browser as a PWA – Progressive Web App.
And which are just generally equally as interactive as an app, so good luck explaining the difference to folks who don’t care about implementation specifics…