• Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    Interesting that it would attack users with “Jewish sounding names”. What does Grok say about Israel and Palestine?

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      14 hours ago

      The Nazis were in general supporters of a Jewish state. Their first solution was mass deportations.

      So it isn’t really a historic contradiction.

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        The Nazi went around the world looking for countries to take in the Jews. The US refused and then the wealthy business men that funded the Nazi party lobbied the rest of the world not to take in the Jews either. History shows us we were worse than the Nazi. It is a bitter pill to swallow

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      Ha, good question, how does it handle the right-wing incongruity of supporting the government of Israel’s genocide while hating Jews? Probably by saying they’re the good ones as long as they’re murdering Muslims.

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        The standard nazi take is that it’s a great idea for Jews to remove themselves from most countries, concentrate in one place instead, and make a lot of enemies.

        Zionists tend to agree with Nazis on many things, it turns out.

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          It goes along with their idea that Jews are evil, but not so much their idea that they’re weak and inferior. Ah well, fascism thrives on contradiction.

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      Probably made a list of good fascist zionist jews, exactly like they did in WW2 when they worked with the nazis.

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          Before WW2 there were zionists who worked with the Nazi party in order to work towards creating a Jewish state that the jews could all be sent to. Later on the Nazis turned on these Jews because the process wasn’t fast enough for them and they couldn’t find enough countries to take the people they were deporting.

          The first solution for Nazis wasn’t death camps, it was mass deportation.

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            Wrong They worked together DURING WW2 too and after.
            There was a list in Hungary for one where zionists decided the ones that would later go to Israel could go and let the rest go to the camps.
            In line with the fanatic, fascist and antisemitic thinking of zionists.
            And with this quote from Ben Gurion: ““If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter”

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            Interesting… I cant find any reliable info backing that up. Especially the second part claiming thats the reason the nazi’s “turned on” the jews. I think you’ve been severely mislead by whoever told you that information. It sounds like something I’d hear from a Joe rogan guest.

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              While I’m sure Holocaust historiography has evolved over the last 50 years since it was published, the latter half of The Twisted Road to Auschwitz: Nazi Policy towards German Jews 1933-1939 covers how among other plans to set up Jewish colonies around the world, the Nazis did cultivate relationships with Zionist groups when trying to expel Jews from Germany.

              The book makes a case that, to the Nazis, the Holocaust became a “final solution” when all the other “solutions” they tried for expeling the Jews from German public life before WW2 broke out had failed (eg, the aforementioned failed colonial projects).

              I’d say that Evrala’s comment has plenty of credible historical support.

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              When I say that the Nazi’s turned on them, I’m saying that these select individuals that thought that working with the Nazi’s would save them. It did not.

              There were a few exceptions, there were some people that higher ups in the Nazi party helped to escape. For instance Adolf Eichman was proud of the fact that while many Nazis would point out a few “good ones” among the jews he was more pure in his belief.

              The support for deporting Jews into Palestine was called the Haavara Agreement. 60,000 Jews were migrated to Palestine from 1933 to 1939. It was an agreement between the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Nazi government. The thought was that by working with the government they could make things easier on Jews still living in Germany.

              Germany also got a lot of good international press for doing it at the time.