Ehat you said reminded me of Fate Stay Night, never played it, but the story was so good they made anime and manga for it, without the sex scenes of course.
Do I want games that are specifically pornography on steam. No.
Well, some people do want that.
So, in compromise, Steam gives you the option of not seeing pornography. It even sets that option by default.
The only way you’re ever going to see pornography is if you specifically check the ‘Show Adult Only Sexual Content’ in the Mature Content Filtering of Store Preferences in your Account Settings.
There should be a separate platform for that, similar to how you wouldn’t go on YouTube expecting to see videos from PornHub.
Why should there be a separate platform? If Steam wants to sell porn games then why should payment processors have any say at all? Amazon sells porn and sex toys, should they be required to split off that part of their business because 50 puritanical christians in Australia can spend all day spam calling Visa and Mastercard? It’s nonsense, these people won’t stop here. Visa and Mastercard should have ignored these people
In any case, that’s just dodging the issue.
These games ARE available on other platforms, the Collective Voice group is targeting those platforms too.
Before you just shrug and say that it won’t affect you because you don’t play porn games. Collective Voice’s idea of obscene games that shouldn’t be for sale don’t stop at porn. They have also pressured the major retailers in Australia to not carry GTA5. They’d see Steam shutdown entirely if they had their way.
If they don’t want to see porn then Steam already takes care of that, no account has Adult Content enabled by default. Steam has parental controls ( https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98 ) so parents can prevent their children from seeing any content that they don’t like. These people are not upset because they’re seeing porn, they’re upset because other people choose to see porn and they want to stop them.
That’s not how we do things in a free society. You can make choices for yourself, you can’t force your choices to apply other people.
As much as Steam is free to host what it likes, Visa and the others are free not to work with Steam. You could argue the options available to Steam would be significantly limited by that, but the same argument is being used against Steam now in the Wolfire lawsuit. The argument is that Steam violates antitrust law via illegal tying and other means, making it hard for a user who doesn’t agree with their content policies to switch to a different platform, like Epic, which has always prohibited porn games.
I don’t think a single person here is disputing the fact that they can legally do this. There’s a lot of things that are legal which are immoral.
It isn’t the payment processor’s place, ESPECIALLY one that we have allowed to have a de facto monopoly on credit card processing, to use that position in order to dictate morality.
From a pragmatic perspective, they’re playing with fire by giving in to small but vocal extremist groups. Public outcry on issues can result in laws and regulations which would limit how payment processors can operate. We could pass laws which make it illegal for a payment processor to refuse to process payments for otherwise legal transactions.
Is it more about the porn or the shovelware for you? That is to ask: would you play a porn game that is sufficiently story-driven and acclaimed?
Ehat you said reminded me of Fate Stay Night, never played it, but the story was so good they made anime and manga for it, without the sex scenes of course.
Would I play a game that has sex/nudity in it? Yes. Do I want games that are specifically pornography on steam. No.
Well, some people do want that.
So, in compromise, Steam gives you the option of not seeing pornography. It even sets that option by default.
The only way you’re ever going to see pornography is if you specifically check the ‘Show Adult Only Sexual Content’ in the Mature Content Filtering of Store Preferences in your Account Settings.
There should be a separate platform for that, similar to how you wouldn’t go on YouTube expecting to see videos from PornHub.
Why should there be a separate platform? If Steam wants to sell porn games then why should payment processors have any say at all? Amazon sells porn and sex toys, should they be required to split off that part of their business because 50 puritanical christians in Australia can spend all day spam calling Visa and Mastercard? It’s nonsense, these people won’t stop here. Visa and Mastercard should have ignored these people
In any case, that’s just dodging the issue.
These games ARE available on other platforms, the Collective Voice group is targeting those platforms too.
Before you just shrug and say that it won’t affect you because you don’t play porn games. Collective Voice’s idea of obscene games that shouldn’t be for sale don’t stop at porn. They have also pressured the major retailers in Australia to not carry GTA5. They’d see Steam shutdown entirely if they had their way.
If they don’t want to see porn then Steam already takes care of that, no account has Adult Content enabled by default. Steam has parental controls ( https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98 ) so parents can prevent their children from seeing any content that they don’t like. These people are not upset because they’re seeing porn, they’re upset because other people choose to see porn and they want to stop them.
That’s not how we do things in a free society. You can make choices for yourself, you can’t force your choices to apply other people.
As much as Steam is free to host what it likes, Visa and the others are free not to work with Steam. You could argue the options available to Steam would be significantly limited by that, but the same argument is being used against Steam now in the Wolfire lawsuit. The argument is that Steam violates antitrust law via illegal tying and other means, making it hard for a user who doesn’t agree with their content policies to switch to a different platform, like Epic, which has always prohibited porn games.
I don’t think a single person here is disputing the fact that they can legally do this. There’s a lot of things that are legal which are immoral.
It isn’t the payment processor’s place, ESPECIALLY one that we have allowed to have a de facto monopoly on credit card processing, to use that position in order to dictate morality.
From a pragmatic perspective, they’re playing with fire by giving in to small but vocal extremist groups. Public outcry on issues can result in laws and regulations which would limit how payment processors can operate. We could pass laws which make it illegal for a payment processor to refuse to process payments for otherwise legal transactions.