Youtube is a prime example of why monopolies are bad
Decentralize! FEDERATE EVERYTHING!
I agree, the internet needs to go back to its roots. Putting your eggs in one basket is just a bad idea.
At some point the ratio of convenience to quality got all out of whack. Most people I know use maybe three different platforms at most and get angered by all of them. My internet experience peaked when I was checking 20 extremely specific forums regularly and using in-game chat 90% of the time (vent/teamspeak were reserved for raid night).
As much as I dislike ads, “Company wants to make revenue from its product” is not a prime example of why monopolies are bad.
Youtube has done a lot more bad shit than push ads everywhere
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Why? Can you elaborate?
If a company has no competition, being a monopoly, it’s basically free to do whatever it wants. Youtube controls the video streaming market of the internet. If they choose to not pay content creators, to run 10 ads in a row every 3 minutes, or to ban content creators for saying something their automods think is a bad word, what will you do? Where else will you turn? Odds are there’s nothing for you on Vimeo. So you either make do with how Youtube operates, or you don’t get to watch cat videos, or video essays on WW2, or playthroughs of Super Mario Sunshine, or what have you.
I had as context in mind that they won’t allow you to watch videos without paying for it via subscription or advertisment
Bring able to skip 5 seconds into a 14-30 second ad isn’t a huge inconvenience. When doing something AFK the ad ends in a reasonable amount of time so you’re right back to your background music or whatever. I’ve never taken issue with that. I’m not a huge fan of the newer strategy that run two ads in a row, but it’s still tolerable. What I deplore is the occasional infomercial ad that’ll run for anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 hours without intervention. Those are the reason I run an ad blocker on the desktop.
On mobile there’s fewer options. Running adblock on Firefox works for now, but if that gets neutered I won’t cry. Another option is to install an app that works with the YouTube app to automatically skip ads after five seconds. If youtube takes action against those apps I’ll spend a lot less time on YouTube.
This harkens to the current reddit situation. I’m only here because I got tired of their incessant “get our app” prompts on mobile and just started looking into getting an app right when the shit hit the fan. Forcing intrusive advertising on users is a great way to alienate them.
maybe you missed the part where they are not only trying to get rid of adblockers, but also are trying to change over to at least 30 seconds of unskippable ads
I am 43 and I remember growing up, people in the early days of the internet were calling people in my age group (late genx/early millenial) a generation that will be “impossible to advertise to.” For me, it’s rang very true. I can’t think of a single time I ever saw an ad for anything and it made me want to spend money on a product or service. But I guess that hasn’t been the norm, or ads would be dead.
But I guess that hasn’t been the norm, or ads would be dead.
They’re alive because of all the tracking data they use now. Targeted ads are significantly more effective than their counterparts.
Early GenXer here. Am the same way. Have always hated ads in any form. Except maybe print ads. Especially in the old days in mags like Electronic Fun & Games or something. Even targeted ads are useless to me. If there’s something I’m interested in, I’ll search it out and find what I need. I don’t need some company scraping my data and telling me what I want. I run a Pihole, use ad blockers and YouTube specific apps to block ads and always will
I dunno, I’m 40 and have definitely bought things because of ads. Highly targeted ones on Instagram have introduced me to a lot of cycling gear I wouldn’t have otherwise known about. It seems like most of the youtube ads are pretty bad though
Yeah, that kind of thing I usually try to filter past but exceptionally rarely sometimes something catches me.
It’s been better since breaking a bunch of collection methods and adding garbage data to throw them off but, you know. Id rather just be happy with what I have and mindful/selective when getting new stuff - ads bloat that in a way I don’t appreciate, I guess.
Same age group, a little more aversion to ads. Big ads spenders are at a disadvantage in my selection process.
YouTube is seriously forgetting it’s role. I liked it better when it was dbz videos to Linkin Park and looney tunes. We use YouTube to not have a premium service then maybe contribute to the creators we like. We do NOT need yet another “streaming service” bill. They’re getting out of hand.
Man, 144p AMVs were peak internet.
DBZ Music Videos, that takes me back to the 00’s.
I’m gonna be honest. I don’t see anything wrong with this. I know the majority of us are just coming off some corporate bullshit from reddit, but I don’t think it’s wrong to not let your very expensive to maintain service be used for free without ads.
I promise that I’m not trying to suck a billionaire’s cock when I say that I marvel in awe at YouTube’s ability to input and output such astronomical amount of data at any given time, without any complaints.
But this is such a shitty, hostile way to do it. And if you give in and say yes to ads they’ve already shown where that’s going to go, with 10 unskippable ads in a row and 30 second ads.
They could make subscriptions mandatory if they really believe they have a good product, and pass a fat portion of that money to the creators instead.
…except this isn’t about the creators, or the users, or the advertisers, it’s about Google making more money at the expense of every single other party involved in the platform, and the platform be damned. Textbook late stage enshittification.
YouTube premium revenue is shared with creators based on view time. I don’t know what percentage of the subscription cost is shared (I believe I’ve read 55% is shared but I didn’t validate that right now, their help docs say “most” so it’s likely over 50%). As I understand it from income breakdown from creators, income from YouTube premium does often surpass Adsense income even when only a small percentage of viewers use YouTube premium.
The larger factor in them doing this is that the value of selling ads has been decreasing substantially the last few years. This means they need to show more ads to make the same money they did before.
This is also part of why every YouTube creator now does their own sponsored ads inside videos, trying to rely only on Adsense isn’t viable for them.
YouTube know they have a good product, and lots of people do subscribe to YouTube premium, there is no reason form them to force people onto YouTube premium when lots of people are willing to watch the ads.
I’ve had youtube premium for several years now. Most of the creators I watch do their best to integrate their sponsorships in an appropriate way. Whether that’s choosing a sponsorship related to the video topic, or making it entertaining in its own right.
It’s expensive to run servers that hosts tens of billions of videos. If you don’t want to pay for access, then pay for no ads. If you don’t want to pay for no ads, then watching the ads is the only way. Remember, if you’re not buying the product, then you are the product.
Paying for YouTube premium still makes you the product, since you are still being tracked and sold. Hell you could drop over over 2k on a TV, phone, or GPU and still be getting tracked and sold. The old adage of if you aren’t paying you are the product no longer applies. It’s outdated.
Why is it a bad way to show a warning and still let you watch 3 videos for free?
Why is it a bad way to show a warning and still let you watch 3 videos for free?
Nah fuck that they have way too many unskipable 30 second ads for a 15min video. If it was 1 or 2 ads a video sure.
While I’m not opposed to paying for YouTube (it is a service after all) the only way to do so would be by being logged in to YouTube with whatever black box algorithmic tracking and curation that entails. There is no “proper” way to anonymously access YouTube without ads.
block scripts with uMatrix. a little finer grained. if they block me, oh well. still won’t watch ads
uBlock can do everything that uMatrix can do it just has a different interface, so there’s no need to use the deprecated uMatrix
Isn’t uMatrix deprecated though? Haven’t been in the extensions game for a while.
still using on chrome, v 1.4.4
Deprecated as in EOL and no more updates, not if it’s off the webstores
What absolute wankers! In case anyone’s adblock goes south, here are some YouTube alternatives:
For Watching YouTube
For Uploading
- PeerTube
- Idk, make a video blog or something.
PeerTube is awesome. Also its federated with lemmy!
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This is something I wanted since I have discovered Newpipe. Thank you, it’s very nice to have something like this on desktop
That’s pretty cool, actually! Nice work!
For Android:
Newpipe or Tubular (Newpipe X Sponsorblock fork)
VueTube (still under development, the team is working slow because it’s pretty small, they have a few time to spend on it and they need devs, it’s a complete FOSS alternative to Vanced, and will have most of its features including optional Google log in with interactions)
If you need to login and have a full YouTube experience: Revancedapp
Newpipe is perfect for me, been using it for months, now when I want to watch a video, I don’t wind up watching whatever, I have a more purposeful experience.
Yes, Newpipe works great, I use both because I want to interact with my favorite creators and share my history and lists with the PC so I’m forced to log in, so the best option for that is a patched YouTube app like revanced (I used to use vanced until a few months ago when they definitely killed it).
LibreTube is very good as well.
I tried it and I still prefer Newpipe, but it’s cool to have a lot of alternatives for everyone!
No revanced? I’ve been using it since vanced broke with an older update and it’s been working great for me
Thank you! Is Invidious going anywhere? I saw something about a DMCA takedown from YouTube.
I’d be surprised if Google completely stamped it out. They’re on Codeberg now, so that’ll make takedowns trickier. It’s also distributed, so taking down the Invidious websites is virtually impossible.
Also, while Google probably has pretty good lawyers, I’m not sure how well they’ll stand up if they go to court.
The official reason they gave for the takedown is also false. They claimed that invidious is using the youtube api without permission, which it isn’t.
Not paying youtube a cent until they remove all the transphobes and quit blasting people with their shit ass bigoted content. I’ll pirate and ad block just to spite them every step of the way. Make your bed with fascists, lay in it.
Lemmy youtube when?
Right now the #1 alternative is Odysee. While Odysee itself is a centralized company its just as open sourced front end for the decentralized LBRY block chain.
As of now Odysee has far more videos, features, and download speeds then any other YouTube alternative.
If you’re interested in supporting an alternative I reccomend downloading the “watch on odysee” extension which redirects YouTube videos that areavailible on Odysee, to Odysee. (Firefox) (Chrome)
Odysee is a right wing cesspool with no moderation: https://thelinuxexp.com/Im-leaving-odysee/
Just like YouTube is a left wing cesspool with cancel culture?
I guess you have to pick your poison.
Personally I can’t think of a single traditional value worth preserving and I’ve got nothing worth conserving - given the pollution of the right that modern day corruption has completed, I’ll stick to the lesser, at least until I can’t dodge advertising anymore.
I think you’re going by the English meaning of “conservative”. The word is badly chosen, because I don’t think they really are traditionalists. Probably “capitalist” would be a better fit. And paradoxically there are many things I find the “progressives” want to do which are in fact regressive. It’s a bit confusing and I think names should be changed to something else if it were up to me. Words have power, and words like “progressive” and “woke” have positive connotations while “conservative” has negative connotation which is sad; they don’t even apply anymore to the groups or ideas they represent.
Yes, you’re right about the English definition - talking politics is difficult in a global forum because of these strange idiosyncrasies.
I do try to use the language flatly, avoiding emotive words where possible. It’s interesting you say that “woke” has positive connotations, as I think the Republican🇺🇲 and Conservative🇬🇧 crowds have been using that word as something approaching a slur!
When I say “conservatism” I am strictly referring to the definition in the dictionary or the wiki. I feel like the UK Tory party is definitely following a more anarcho-capitalist expression of the ideology, but their trans exclusionary rhetoric does have the air of “traditional” CoE values around it. In the states, the creeping in of a Christian flavoured version of Sharia law is an interesting development under a lib president, as I would consider this an expression of conservatism.
Personally, I think the connotations that the term conservatism has earned over the last hundred years are well earned, especially as the core values of conservatism seem to be somewhat nebulous. Ultimately we can only judge by the totally flawed implementation of the system that we have - just as we have judged Communism to be a totally unworkable and flawed system by studying the facist regimes of Russia and China as examples - despite the similarities between communism and what the USSR/CCP were/are being almost nil; though this is probably what you were driving at with your closing statement! 😅
Tons of right wing nonsense on youtube
Censoring the right is always a good thing
TIL refusing to remove content you disagree with = right wing cesspool.
If you don’t like it, then fork the and start your own curated version of Odysee. That’s the beauty of federated software.
And while yes in its current state the userbase is pretty toxic; that’s the price to pay when you have a platform with total free speech. The early adopters are always going to be the ones who rely on it the most (unsavory individuals). However this is no argument against free speech in the same way that criminals being the first ones to adopt privacy related projects, is no argument against privacy.
There’s PeerTube I guess but all the videos are already on YouTube soo…
Considering how big and relevant YouTube is, I don’t see it getting replaced by PeerTubr. The alternative at the moment are apps like ViewTube which is a custom front-end for YouTube that removes all the ads and tracking
Have we got any reps from ReVanced over here yet? It’s not a federated or decentralised approach, but it at least removes the layer of scum enveloping YouTube.
I suggest NewPipe, I never tried ReVanced, but NewPipe probably has the same features if not more, i find it quite good
What?
Remember the time when we used to search for and share funny ads? They could’ve done that, but no, they chose to make shitty ads that nobody wants to see.
I wonder how they will enforce this. If you can just open a private window to bypass it, it won’t be very effective. Sure, they could do some fingerprinting, but I imagine avoiding false-positives would be very important, so I doubt they’d get very far with that.
Honestly, the only way I see is implementing a login wall, which I wouldn’t put past them. And that’s kinda scary. It would render so many links inaccessible to people without a Google account.
Or who knows, maybe they just want to make it more cumbersome and not completely prevent it, to get more people onto YouTube Premium, while the more determined people can continue adblocking because it’s not worth fighting a small minority.
This is probably it. Google’s in a cashflow crunch given the current economy and so they’ve been cutting benefits and boosting profits.
Why is it a bad way to show a warning and still let you watch 3 videos for free?
The one thing the Reddit exodus has taught me, is that I’m almost eager for a reason to ditch my social media and either find something new or simply take back that time and do something more fulfilling anyway.
I’m so much happier not being constantly blasted with advertisements, that now when I have to go back on insta or FB for whatever reason, I can’t stand more than 30 seconds before I nope back off.
Looking forward to axing YouTube from my life next.
I left FB and Instagram about 3 years ago. At first I felt sad because I was “disconnected” from my large network of hundreds of people I know or have met. The truth was the majority of these “friends” weren’t actually participating in my life at all. Those networks for most part were just allowing for some sort of passive consumption of our lives and when I had finally left, it was great. The hour or so I would spend trying to “keep up” with everyone was given back to me and it was refreshing to catch up with friends because we actually get to catch up.
Recently though, I spun up an instance of a private social network just for my family using a web app called HumHub. There’s about 20 members and we use it just for our small family. No outsiders, no ads, no spam, just us. It takes me back to a time where social media was simple.
I just watched Wendover’s video on how they built Nebula. Most of the content I watch is on that platform, so I’d be happy to just ditch YouTube if they move forward with this.
I just watched Wendover’s video on how they built Nebula. Most of the content I watch is on that platform, so I’d be happy to just ditch YouTube if they move forward with this.
If they break Piped and Invidious, I guess I’ll have to only watch Nebula content.
Honestly it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if more people started using nebula and curiositystream for their content. The quality of content there is fantastic. Floatplane is another weird one out there which benefits users and content providers
Relevant Tumblr post
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I pay for premium because I despise ads. I do whatever I can to remove them from my life. They are really playing with fire. Change is in the air rn anyway.
How I want a YT competitor, but I really don’t see how anyone can compete with their storage and bandwidth.
I also pay for premium, and tbh what I get out of it is worth it. I pay for 1 streaming site at a time, I pay fast mail for email. I’m not hesitant to pay for something as long as I get value out of it
They must have missed the memo that explained how the internet is a series of tubes.
