Well, yes, we all benefit. Most often than not, improvements on steamdeck directly translate everywhere else, but not always. I believe the steam client HW acceleration has been broken for nvidia gpus for a while now(?).
Don’t get me wrong, gaming on linux is better than its ever been. But i wish it would take into account linux as a whole and not just one specific piece of hardware.
Does Steam run on ChromeOS? Because if it does, and it’s included in those stats, then ChromeOS is woefully underrepresented. ChromeOS has more users than all other Linux put together, but doesn’t show as an OS on the Steam survey at all.
The point is that the Steam Deck is as “Linux” as ChromeOS or Android are.
In other words, Linux means absolutely nothing to the end user on these systems because they’re so clamped down as to be useless beyond the provided playground. The Steam Deck is a bit different but even then what percentage of users actually use Linux directly rather than the provided Deck interface?
No, they’re not. Not anymore than someone using Android is “using Linux” or you’re “using OS/2” when you find an ancient ATM. This is just more goalpost moving by Linux apologists to make themselves feel better about the “year of the Linux desktop” still being at least 6-8 months away.
I’m still not quite sure what you think the Steam Deck runs on if it isn’t Linux. I can connect a monitor, keyboard, and mouse to it and use it as a computer. A computer that runs Linux.
It’d say ChromeOS and Steam Deck are important less for whether the are “real” linux and more because by increasing the number of users using a linux base you get better stability in gaming on linux.
I use linux as a daily driver, but I couldn’t care less if others do. But if it leads to a better gaming experience then that’s something I can get behind.
Totally agreed. I’m just seeing far too many people here and elsewhere hailing this as some kind of massive win “FOR LINUX” when in reality it’s a massive win for “THE STEAM DECK.”
I mean, it IS a huge win for Linux. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that iffy gaming support is the sole reason I’ve yet to switch to Linux. If things continue to improve at the rate they have been recently the next time I’m in for a fresh OS install it might finally be a linux distro.
Valve controls the data, the data is incorrect. Only trusting steam is just like trusting Elon Musk. Anyone or any company that 100% controls the data should not be 100% be trusted.
No they don’t make sense, Valve controls who gets the survey, Valve is known to lied, “linux” what?, bot accounts inflatiation, VM possibility counted, etc. We can never confirm these numbers, we can never know if they are based on real humans.
Yes, that is a thing. People have already posted about increase in linux and they assumed Steam Deck. There is no actual number saying it’s the steam deck, it’s just assumed. Plus, this goes back to Valve controlling the numbers, they can sell any number they want and the linux side could be close to the truth. Valve having this much control is the problem i’m talking about.
Or any of the other sources that break down Steam numbers by distro?
Oh but of course Valve is lying because they totally don’t have literally thousands of developers (many of whom are multi-billion dollar corporations) relying on these numbers for sales projections or anything…
You should use yours instead, gaminglinux is based as he always reports everything under Valve in good lighting. He can’t be considered a good news reporter, a blogger yes but not a news report.
Phoronix reported their findings within Valve website which again leads to only sources being Valve. If you were told the criminal did kill someone by the criminal themselves than you have a bad court case
Steam breaks down OS user numbers by distro. This information is out there.
Valve is not about to start lying about numbers and it’s utterly baffling that anyone would think they would. They rely 100% on the trust of publishers and developers. If they lied about their numbers, which these companies use to generate sales projections and make seriously massive financial decisions off of, they would be immediately dumped by everyone and subject to massive antritrust lawsuits.
Valve has done little to upset the games industry, because they understand their position is actually quite precarious.
If you committed a crime than someone asked you if you commit the crime, that doesn’t mean you committed the crime. What you said is based on sources on Valve website, Valve numbers, on Valve data collection and Valve Employees. You can not prove the numbers are real or fake, they are only numbers in a crime that would otherwise lead to the bigger crime.
I don’t see why people emphasize this distinction. If development is driven for the steam deck it’s driven for linux as a whole.
Well, yes, we all benefit. Most often than not, improvements on steamdeck directly translate everywhere else, but not always. I believe the steam client HW acceleration has been broken for nvidia gpus for a while now(?).
Don’t get me wrong, gaming on linux is better than its ever been. But i wish it would take into account linux as a whole and not just one specific piece of hardware.
Then why not count ChromeOS?
If people are running steam games through chromeos then yeah, count it! I would also count windows for ARM as windows…
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Does Steam run on ChromeOS? Because if it does, and it’s included in those stats, then ChromeOS is woefully underrepresented. ChromeOS has more users than all other Linux put together, but doesn’t show as an OS on the Steam survey at all.
The point is that the Steam Deck is as “Linux” as ChromeOS or Android are.
In other words, Linux means absolutely nothing to the end user on these systems because they’re so clamped down as to be useless beyond the provided playground. The Steam Deck is a bit different but even then what percentage of users actually use Linux directly rather than the provided Deck interface?
If a user is using a Steam Deck then they are using Linux though.
No, they’re not. Not anymore than someone using Android is “using Linux” or you’re “using OS/2” when you find an ancient ATM. This is just more goalpost moving by Linux apologists to make themselves feel better about the “year of the Linux desktop” still being at least 6-8 months away.
I’m still not quite sure what you think the Steam Deck runs on if it isn’t Linux. I can connect a monitor, keyboard, and mouse to it and use it as a computer. A computer that runs Linux.
It’d say ChromeOS and Steam Deck are important less for whether the are “real” linux and more because by increasing the number of users using a linux base you get better stability in gaming on linux.
I use linux as a daily driver, but I couldn’t care less if others do. But if it leads to a better gaming experience then that’s something I can get behind.
Totally agreed. I’m just seeing far too many people here and elsewhere hailing this as some kind of massive win “FOR LINUX” when in reality it’s a massive win for “THE STEAM DECK.”
I mean, it IS a huge win for Linux. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that iffy gaming support is the sole reason I’ve yet to switch to Linux. If things continue to improve at the rate they have been recently the next time I’m in for a fresh OS install it might finally be a linux distro.
SteamOS is real enough distro. AFAIK it even has KDE preinstalled.
Do they not? I have no idea how many steam installs there are on chomebooks but I don’t see why they wouldn’t count towards linux numbers.
Valve controls the data, the data is incorrect. Only trusting steam is just like trusting Elon Musk. Anyone or any company that 100% controls the data should not be 100% be trusted.
Steam has no reason to skew these numbers, and these numbers make sense.
No they don’t make sense, Valve controls who gets the survey, Valve is known to lied, “linux” what?, bot accounts inflatiation, VM possibility counted, etc. We can never confirm these numbers, we can never know if they are based on real humans.
I mean it’s less than 2% of users that seems pretty reasonable lol
Ok, but why to they want to lie about these numbers? Inflate the steamdeck market?
Yes, that is a thing. People have already posted about increase in linux and they assumed Steam Deck. There is no actual number saying it’s the steam deck, it’s just assumed. Plus, this goes back to Valve controlling the numbers, they can sell any number they want and the linux side could be close to the truth. Valve having this much control is the problem i’m talking about.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/nearly-40-of-linux-gamers-on-steam-are-on-steam-deck/
So what was that you were saying about nobody know what percent is actually the Steam Deck?
Or maybe this one: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-June-2023-Statistics
Or any of the other sources that break down Steam numbers by distro?
Oh but of course Valve is lying because they totally don’t have literally thousands of developers (many of whom are multi-billion dollar corporations) relying on these numbers for sales projections or anything…
Come on. Use brain.
You should use yours instead, gaminglinux is based as he always reports everything under Valve in good lighting. He can’t be considered a good news reporter, a blogger yes but not a news report.
Phoronix reported their findings within Valve website which again leads to only sources being Valve. If you were told the criminal did kill someone by the criminal themselves than you have a bad court case
For anyone that doesn’t see my post lower down: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-June-2023-Statistics
Steam breaks down OS user numbers by distro. This information is out there.
Valve is not about to start lying about numbers and it’s utterly baffling that anyone would think they would. They rely 100% on the trust of publishers and developers. If they lied about their numbers, which these companies use to generate sales projections and make seriously massive financial decisions off of, they would be immediately dumped by everyone and subject to massive antritrust lawsuits.
Valve has done little to upset the games industry, because they understand their position is actually quite precarious.
If you committed a crime than someone asked you if you commit the crime, that doesn’t mean you committed the crime. What you said is based on sources on Valve website, Valve numbers, on Valve data collection and Valve Employees. You can not prove the numbers are real or fake, they are only numbers in a crime that would otherwise lead to the bigger crime.
You totally belong here.