I have a Mac book Pro for work.There is just a lot of random weirdness.
There is no right click, your supposed to do a light two finger touch for right click.If you click too hard it opens the dictionary.
If you plug in a mouse you can get right click, but it isn’t consistent in working.
By default scroll is inverted (up is down, down is up), also windows can have scroll bars but they aren’t clickable, you have to do a scroll gesture.
Almost every Left control + Button action is now Meta key + button. But not everything, its annoyingly inconsistent also new random shortcuts.
For example lock screen isn’t Meta key + l like on Linux or Windows. Its Meta + Shift + Q, shut down is Meta +Left Control + Q.
The keyboard doesn’t match the your countries layout, so keys move around and is missing traditional keys like print screen. To do that you press Meta + Shift + 4 to switch the mouse to a screen cut tool and select the area you cut.
I could go on and on, none of it is obvious and I wouldn’t say any of it is an improvement at best its just different.
My last job I had to use a Mac. Gave myself carpel tunnel or RSI or something using that mouse. I’ve been off of it for five years now, it feels a lot better but still hurts a bit now and then. Never had a problem for decades before that.
As someone who hasn’t used a non-Mac laptop in ages, is it still common to have a left and right click on the trackpad? There are certainly a lot of quirks with Macs and macOS, but honestly the trackpad right click is something that I prefer on Mac over other hardware. But I figured this was more common now.
I usually see both. A physical right click and a two finger tap anywhere. And also both a left click button and a single tap anywhere. And three finger for mmb is unfortunately often not the default but always configurable (love me my 3finger tap to open links in a new tab)
I have had a vareity of HP, Dell, etc… laptops. The trackpads will do gesture stuff but you can clearly feel a left and right button if you push down on the trackpad (e.g. push on left side for left button).
Two finger right click feels much easier, but sometimes the latency is unbearable in games and apps that need need it. Regular taps are instant, two fingers takes like a dozen milliseconds to process.
Oh yea. I still game on Windows but other than that I just use macOS for everything these days and the few games I do run on macOS I still use a mouse for (Cities Skylines actually runs great for example)
I just use the mouse when I’m at my desktop. On the road I use the trackpad. I actually don’t mind it at all, but that could just be from using it for years now. If I started using something else I might like it more 🤷
What the other person is saying about “discoverability” is not entirely accurate. The Mac mouse has traditionally had one button, going way back. No, I mean waaaaay back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pointing_devices Cost was a massive factor given the tech of the time and the fact that they were shooting for the home market using hardware that wasn’t readily available off the shelf.
Macs have COMMAND, OPTION, and CONTROL keys. CONTROL+click is the equivalent of a right mouse click, but it may not be implemented by developers as standard in games and I’m not sure if the MacOS system hooks CONTROL+click to the same output as an actual right mouse click.
Modern Mac mice have what’s basically a touchpad instead of buttons, which is awesome since it gives you things like a scroll wheel and a right button. But it’s absolute RSI-buggering trash for the most part.
There has always been a way to right click on any Mac trackpad or mouse but some are not discoverable. Like there will be only one surface to click, but it will still know which side you click on.
Many MANY other reasons, but the charging point location isn’t one of them and I’ll die on this “just plug it the frick in before you go to bed like once a week or so” hill. 🤣
I have charged my wireless headset while wearing it like ~5x over almost 3 years of using it. Still, in those moments were for one reason or another (mostly me forgetting) it was discharged when I wanted to use it, it would have utterly sucked if I couldn’t wear it while plugged in. I simply had a cable dangling off like with a regular headset.
There will come the time when you are sitting there with an empty mouse and can’t use your system while it charges … for absolutely no good reason
I don’t use the mouse itself (it’s hell for my RSI) but do use the keyboard and trackpad. I just have a Lightning cable hooked up to the computer and maybe once a week I’ll plug it into one or the other before I go to bed.
It’s really no different from a phone, smart watch, laptop, tablet, MPC Live, SMG with LiPO, Tesla Roadster, or anything else with batteries that die really quickly. Is the location of the port a dumb wank exercise in “design” over function? Yes, but the whole thing is and that’s the least of its problems. lol
They have for a really long time. Unfortunately a lot of them are unplayable on modern machines and there is no easy “show me only 64 bit stuff” toggle.
It was a selling point a few years ago, my friend bought a macbook pro for WoW and Steam games, then they yanked support for 32bit which ended our multiplayer sessions
Many of the most popular games are Windows/Mac only, like Baldur’s Gate 3, Divinity Original Sin 2, Borderlands 3, Elder Scrolls Online, Rust, Call Of Duty BO3.
On windows you ship a game as an exe or uwp app
On Mac you ship a .app
On Linux you ship the game as a flatpak, or any of the other 14 competing standards
It’s just less straightforward. That said, pick one and ship it and I’m sure the community will get it working on any system eventually. Linux is shown to be the best at creating useful bug reports even for closed source software.
Huh. I didn’t even know Steam offered Mac games, like, at all.
Fun fact: when Steam came out for Mac, Valve had to update Portal because Mac users couldn’t place orange portals (no right click on Macs!).
Hah I didn’t know that. I was a mac user at the time and Portal was the first game I bought on steam. I had a normal mouse though.
What do you mean by “no right click on mac”? Is there only one button on a mac mouse?
I have a Mac book Pro for work.There is just a lot of random weirdness.
There is no right click, your supposed to do a light two finger touch for right click.If you click too hard it opens the dictionary.
If you plug in a mouse you can get right click, but it isn’t consistent in working.
By default scroll is inverted (up is down, down is up), also windows can have scroll bars but they aren’t clickable, you have to do a scroll gesture.
Almost every Left control + Button action is now Meta key + button. But not everything, its annoyingly inconsistent also new random shortcuts.
For example lock screen isn’t Meta key + l like on Linux or Windows. Its Meta + Shift + Q, shut down is Meta +Left Control + Q.
The keyboard doesn’t match the your countries layout, so keys move around and is missing traditional keys like print screen. To do that you press Meta + Shift + 4 to switch the mouse to a screen cut tool and select the area you cut.
I could go on and on, none of it is obvious and I wouldn’t say any of it is an improvement at best its just different.
My last job I had to use a Mac. Gave myself carpel tunnel or RSI or something using that mouse. I’ve been off of it for five years now, it feels a lot better but still hurts a bit now and then. Never had a problem for decades before that.
As someone who hasn’t used a non-Mac laptop in ages, is it still common to have a left and right click on the trackpad? There are certainly a lot of quirks with Macs and macOS, but honestly the trackpad right click is something that I prefer on Mac over other hardware. But I figured this was more common now.
I usually see both. A physical right click and a two finger tap anywhere. And also both a left click button and a single tap anywhere. And three finger for mmb is unfortunately often not the default but always configurable (love me my 3finger tap to open links in a new tab)
I have had a vareity of HP, Dell, etc… laptops. The trackpads will do gesture stuff but you can clearly feel a left and right button if you push down on the trackpad (e.g. push on left side for left button).
Two finger right click feels much easier, but sometimes the latency is unbearable in games and apps that need need it. Regular taps are instant, two fingers takes like a dozen milliseconds to process.
Oh yea. I still game on Windows but other than that I just use macOS for everything these days and the few games I do run on macOS I still use a mouse for (Cities Skylines actually runs great for example)
Doesn’t the fact you have to use a separate mouse tell you the design is poor?
The better approach would be to detect clicks on the left and right of the trackpad as left/right buttons and support two finger right clicking.
I just use the mouse when I’m at my desktop. On the road I use the trackpad. I actually don’t mind it at all, but that could just be from using it for years now. If I started using something else I might like it more 🤷
My 2016 Dell had that function, I don’t think it’s specific to Apple and if it was it hasn’t been in a while.
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What the other person is saying about “discoverability” is not entirely accurate. The Mac mouse has traditionally had one button, going way back. No, I mean waaaaay back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pointing_devices Cost was a massive factor given the tech of the time and the fact that they were shooting for the home market using hardware that wasn’t readily available off the shelf.
Macs have COMMAND, OPTION, and CONTROL keys. CONTROL+click is the equivalent of a right mouse click, but it may not be implemented by developers as standard in games and I’m not sure if the MacOS system hooks CONTROL+click to the same output as an actual right mouse click.
Modern Mac mice have what’s basically a touchpad instead of buttons, which is awesome since it gives you things like a scroll wheel and a right button. But it’s absolute RSI-buggering trash for the most part.
There has always been a way to right click on any Mac trackpad or mouse but some are not discoverable. Like there will be only one surface to click, but it will still know which side you click on.
Mac’s have right click… it’s the two finger click.
Which isn’t a right click
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Many MANY other reasons, but the charging point location isn’t one of them and I’ll die on this “just plug it the frick in before you go to bed like once a week or so” hill. 🤣
I have charged my wireless headset while wearing it like ~5x over almost 3 years of using it. Still, in those moments were for one reason or another (mostly me forgetting) it was discharged when I wanted to use it, it would have utterly sucked if I couldn’t wear it while plugged in. I simply had a cable dangling off like with a regular headset.
There will come the time when you are sitting there with an empty mouse and can’t use your system while it charges … for absolutely no good reason
I don’t use the mouse itself (it’s hell for my RSI) but do use the keyboard and trackpad. I just have a Lightning cable hooked up to the computer and maybe once a week I’ll plug it into one or the other before I go to bed.
It’s really no different from a phone, smart watch, laptop, tablet, MPC Live, SMG with LiPO, Tesla Roadster, or anything else with batteries that die really quickly. Is the location of the port a dumb wank exercise in “design” over function? Yes, but the whole thing is and that’s the least of its problems. lol
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Or, you know, right click on most mice will work. I wouldn’t want to game on a trackpad anyway.
They have for a really long time. Unfortunately a lot of them are unplayable on modern machines and there is no easy “show me only 64 bit stuff” toggle.
the mac version of steam is the only 64-bit version of steam, since valve can’t be bother to update their app to 64-bits unless forced
They’ll upgrade by 2038
It was a selling point a few years ago, my friend bought a macbook pro for WoW and Steam games, then they yanked support for 32bit which ended our multiplayer sessions
You can get it back, I don’t remember how just that it’s possible.
Many of the most popular games are Windows/Mac only, like Baldur’s Gate 3, Divinity Original Sin 2, Borderlands 3, Elder Scrolls Online, Rust, Call Of Duty BO3.
Wish there was more love for Linux native games.
On windows you ship a game as an exe or uwp app On Mac you ship a .app On Linux you ship the game as a flatpak, or any of the other 14 competing standards
It’s just less straightforward. That said, pick one and ship it and I’m sure the community will get it working on any system eventually. Linux is shown to be the best at creating useful bug reports even for closed source software.