Not necessarily. A bunch of us could band together and fund a bunch of folks who are good at building shit and just commission them to design and build new tractors that are easily repairable – preferably electric too – and then sell them. And this effort could be incorporated as a non-profit, which itself legally can own businesses and those businesses could sell them at a profit, and kill off John Deere’s shitty-ass company and any other shitbirds that want to take away consumers’ rights to own their own products.
Because it’s idiotic and non-actionable. I didn’t down vote him though.
I say go ahead and try it, see how far you get. John Deer has lots of money, it’s not like they wouldn’t act to stop you. They’ll sue you into oblivion and they won’t even need a case with merit to drive your little startup into the ground. They’ll just outspend you, not to mention they’ll have consolidated supply lines that you’ll need and that they will not share. The first rule of capitalism is that competition is not to be tolerated.
If someone challenges you to a fist fight, don’t fist fight them. They want you to fist fight them because it gives them advantage. They’ve trained and prepared for fist fights their entire life. You are doing them a favor by fighting them by their rules. You have to fight them on your terms, playing your own game. Whatever your game is, that’s the way you have to face them. harrass, sabotage and disrupt. Failing that, guillotines are a very fun game indeed.
taking on a business, with business is like wresting a pig. You’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Your logic is: “Someone challenged me to a fist fight, so I declined, followed them home, and stabbed them and their family to death in their sleep, which makes me smart.”
That is not the scenario I described, but it is imaginative. I’ll give you that.
Here, let an old chinese guy explain it to you…
“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Or as I like to paraphrase it “Don’t give anyone the fight they came looking for. Give them a different fight”.
organize $0.5-1 bn in funding (<1 % of deere market cap, seemed reasonable given the cost per unit and r&d time to develop a whole new automotive platform)
spend 5-10 years developing a new platform, and manufacturing to support anything remotely resembling the scope of american agriculture
???
profit
did i get that right?
cause i think your definition of “something actionable” is a bit far-fetched.
now its fair to say “well didn’t john deere do that?” and the answer is…no. not at all.
well crafted implication that you could back up what you’re saying, but why would you. I like it. You still suck, but, solid internet points collector.
Look up Edison Motors. A literal logger in Canada is beating out every truck company with investors. People are excited and lining up to buy them (logging companies anyway).
What he’s doing with logging trucks can be done with tractors.
Wow, that’s a cool little company. Also, “Stealing Tesla’s Ideas”, ha.
Related to the sibling comment, good ideas are rarely the whole story to a company’s success. Execution (and luck) matter.
I’m going to need to read up more on them. The jump from “regular truck drivers who do repairs” to “so we put a locomotive drivetrain in our truck” is too big and I think it’s really the key to them getting off the ground.
Make a new tractor company
you have to already be rich for that. instead, eat the rich.
Not necessarily. A bunch of us could band together and fund a bunch of folks who are good at building shit and just commission them to design and build new tractors that are easily repairable – preferably electric too – and then sell them. And this effort could be incorporated as a non-profit, which itself legally can own businesses and those businesses could sell them at a profit, and kill off John Deere’s shitty-ass company and any other shitbirds that want to take away consumers’ rights to own their own products.
I love how you’re getting downvoted for stating something actionable rather than some catchy nonsense that doesn’t actually solve anything.
Because it’s idiotic and non-actionable. I didn’t down vote him though. I say go ahead and try it, see how far you get. John Deer has lots of money, it’s not like they wouldn’t act to stop you. They’ll sue you into oblivion and they won’t even need a case with merit to drive your little startup into the ground. They’ll just outspend you, not to mention they’ll have consolidated supply lines that you’ll need and that they will not share. The first rule of capitalism is that competition is not to be tolerated.
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That’s a very defeatist attitude
If someone challenges you to a fist fight, don’t fist fight them. They want you to fist fight them because it gives them advantage. They’ve trained and prepared for fist fights their entire life. You are doing them a favor by fighting them by their rules. You have to fight them on your terms, playing your own game. Whatever your game is, that’s the way you have to face them. harrass, sabotage and disrupt. Failing that, guillotines are a very fun game indeed.
taking on a business, with business is like wresting a pig. You’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.
We still need to do something though, so what would you suggest?
We’ve cancelled people for less.
Your logic is: “Someone challenged me to a fist fight, so I declined, followed them home, and stabbed them and their family to death in their sleep, which makes me smart.”
No, my friend, it makes you a fucking psychopath.
That is not the scenario I described, but it is imaginative. I’ll give you that. Here, let an old chinese guy explain it to you…
“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Or as I like to paraphrase it “Don’t give anyone the fight they came looking for. Give them a different fight”.
Now go be dumb somewhere else.
your definition of “something actionable” is:
did i get that right?
cause i think your definition of “something actionable” is a bit far-fetched.
now its fair to say “well didn’t john deere do that?” and the answer is…no. not at all.
You’re incorrect with your item number one, as far as being able to take an invention from the drawing board to actual product ready to be sold.
Under the right conditions it can be done for a lot less is what you’ve stated.
I am “incorrect” with an extreme hypothetical estimate?
on the one hand, :o !!!
on the other hand, where is your plan to replace john deere on, say, $150m (you said a lot less than 500m, so im picking 150 as ‘a lot less’)
That tells you all you need to know about how other people really are.
whats the last manufacturing company you started?
Why in the world would I doxx myself just to win an argument?
You’re a prat.
lol, what a response
well crafted implication that you could back up what you’re saying, but why would you. I like it. You still suck, but, solid internet points collector.
Look up Edison Motors. A literal logger in Canada is beating out every truck company with investors. People are excited and lining up to buy them (logging companies anyway).
What he’s doing with logging trucks can be done with tractors.
You should look up all the companies that failed to do that, then look up survivorship bias.
What is it? 90% of companies fail in under 3 years?
I get it. Still cool to see someone try and try well.
Wow, that’s a cool little company. Also, “Stealing Tesla’s Ideas”, ha.
Related to the sibling comment, good ideas are rarely the whole story to a company’s success. Execution (and luck) matter.
I’m going to need to read up more on them. The jump from “regular truck drivers who do repairs” to “so we put a locomotive drivetrain in our truck” is too big and I think it’s really the key to them getting off the ground.
Your have to be rich yourself to get away with reading the rich.