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      That is a full self driving demo and has nothing to do with the Accidents. Full self driving and auto pilot are two different things. When you sign up for fsd you agree to not take your hands off the wheel and pay extra attention. Most of the accidents are autopilot which is enhanced cruise control.

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        I don’t really give a fuck what the terminology is to be frank. The technology leads to unsafe behavior, whether it’s FSD or autopilot.

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          I get it words don’t matter. Feelings are what’s important.

          The autopilot on my Tesla is much better than the same technology on my Audi. Both technologies are easy to abuse. That isn’t Tesla’s fault. People need to follow the instructions.

          Now there are a few cases where the technology completely failed when used correctly and that’s 100% Tesla’s fault in my opinion.

          Are you arguing that it’s the people’s fault? Or are you just rambling because it’s Elon.

          Or are you just arguing for god know what’s reason?

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            I’m saying the technology leads to more harm than good in its current implementation. I don’t care it’s better than your Audi, it still sucks overall. “Used correctly” shouldn’t be a huge factor in a good design. It should be easy to use correctly and hard to use incorrectly. This is not the current state. It’s very easy to use incorrectly, as you admit, and the accidents demonstrate this.

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              it still sucks overall

              In what way?

              It should be easy to use correctly and hard to use incorrectly.

              The vehicle prompts you to keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any moment every time you enable FSD. Everyone using it incorrectly is doing so knowingly.

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              For the Tesla it’s very easy to use correctly.

              Compared to our old cruise control it’s a much better system.

              Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.

              I have seen a few where 100% it was a Tesla failure and Tesla should be held 100% accountable for those.

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                For the Tesla it’s very easy to use correctly.

                Not supported by the evidence, but sure, keep relying on your feelings and telling other people it’s their problem. Projection.

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                  It’s clearly supported by the evidence. It’s cruise control. How complicated do you think cruise control is? You put your hands on the wheel and it maintains speed.

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                Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.

                This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills.

                Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others. Those innovations saturate our society and industries at all levels. Good engineering should be trying to do it more.

                Tesla just doesn’t care, or is even complicit in giving the idiots just enough freedom so people can think Tesla is ahead of the competition. The only difference from Tesla is that other car manufacturers don’t give idiots that freedom.

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                  This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills

                  This is why I hate most about people obsessed with Elon. They can’t have discussions. It’s all weird illogical wants over Elon.

                  Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others

                  No. When cruise control first came out. It’d drive you right into another car. Auto pilot is just a fancy cruise control.

                  You can take a normal car and drive it into a wall. Tesla is no different. Using your logic a normal car shouldn’t be able to do that.

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                    When did I refer to Musk? You must be sensitive.

                    Yes, when cruise control came out over 100 years ago, there were very little controls. Responsible car makers have changes that. Some even recently aimed for zero fatalities for people using their cars and the associated technologies.

                    And there are many cars that keep you from driving into a wall. Maybe, at this point, you can’t keep 100 percent of the idiots from doing something stupid, but responsible car makers do much, much better than Tesla, who actually promotes and markets the actions of idiots abusing the systems in their cars.