Maybe they should talk to their employers about being forced to act like corporate mouthpieces. Or refuse. But if a bootlicker wants to lick boot, give em a taste.
Edit: My bad, I forgot you Americans don’t have workers rights. You get what you vote for.
I hope you’re not actually as rude to retail workers, waitstaff, and other members of the service industry as your comments make you seem like you’d be
But if someone is going to act like a braindead mouthpiece for a corporation then I will tell them why they’re wrong.
I never said be mean to staff, or rude. And you can’t point out where I have because it didn’t happen. You can still tell staff that insist on telling you that regulators are the cause of e-waste to inform themselves of their corporations decisions and how they sound parroting lies.
Do you have any idea how many people are NOT going to be aware of the change and, if the sales people don’t tell them, it’s going to be a steady stream of Karen after Karen in the store. The general public doesn’t follow the tech news like this. Most of them aren’t going to be aware they’ll need a new cable if they need more than what’s in the box.
apple is specifically trying to get their staff to tell people that their old cables are useless e-waste, not to inform them they need new cables, but to disingenuously convince the public that regulators are the cause for the e-waste.
That isn’t actually stated as fact or rumor anywhere other than the headline. So, yes, you were basing the whole rant in the post I replied to on a headline.
“You get what you vote for”. My friend, you are unfamiliar with American politics it seems. Corruption exists in the world and gerrymandering is a problem in the us. I implore you to see others with empathy instead of hatred.
This comes off very condescending and xenophobic. I get that other countries have better rights. I’d love to have that. But if you don’t quite know the extent of what you’re hatefully spewing, maybe try to see things through others shoes instead of insulting them. We are all people and the world would be a better place if everyone realized that.
Apple developed lightning. It had the same transfer rate as USB 2.0 which had been out for over a decade. It wasn’t about being “stubborn”, it was about being proprietary.
That’s a fair point. Apple has been known to do that in the past with FireWire.
But I guess on the issue of whether or not — at the time, two years before usb-c was readily available — apple should have used usb-c or lightning (the thing they helped make), you would assume they would go with lightning over waiting until an unknown amount of time for another plug to be available.
When I say they were stubborn to change from that, they were/are simply stubborn to change from that. I wish they would have pulled the bandaid off when they switched to usb-c on iPad.
Though, that said, barring speed/power, I do actually think the lightning connector is a superior design. It’s simpler, and there’s nothing to break inside the port on the phone/device. I wish usb-c was physically the same or similar.
I still have to disagree. There was no reason for them to develop lightning in the first place. It has 0 advantages over technology already available at the time, and their adapters use the technology they’re trying to upsell anyways- USB.
Edit: I wish I could find a conclusive source for lightning vs micro-usb charging speed in 2012, it has proven difficult. This article suggests an extremely negligible 0.3A difference that effectively did nothing because all phone batteries at the time had a 1A charging maximum https://www.gearmo.com/things-to-know-about-lightning-cables/
I’ll preface this by admitting I misspoke. Lightning did develop into a better technology once the power delivery got better and I forgot they desperately needed the slightly higher PD for the 4th gen iPad. I also completely forgot about the logical data layers afforded by the extra pins because it’s such a strange niche to need direct output for your phone rather than just moving the files to a computer. However, this still doesn’t explain why they wouldn’t just switch to USB-C when it was released and proven to serve all these functions, and I take issue with every other point you made.
More durable ports
I would love conclusive, hard data on this but this has been spread everywhere and it’s completely anecdotal. I’ve seen the “40K to 10K” comparisons but the 40K mating cycles minimum is attributed to the lightning port while the 10K mating cycles minimum is attributed to the micro usb/usb-c cable.
substantial advantages
Reversible connector
Really?
Many existing micro USB cables are terrible, i.e., they only support charging (no data) or they only support charging at 2.5W
Apple’s very own branded lightning cables are terrible quality. I don’t see why you wouldn’t hold a first-party manufacturer accountable for their low quality standard and then turn around and point to a low standard for third-party manufacturers.
Apple helped develop USB-C too as they are members of the consortium. No (non-self-serving) reason why they couldn’t have delayed the swap an additional year or two back then.
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Or leave Apple Store staff alone because they had nothing to do with any of that?
Maybe they should talk to their employers about being forced to act like corporate mouthpieces. Or refuse. But if a bootlicker wants to lick boot, give em a taste.
Edit: My bad, I forgot you Americans don’t have workers rights. You get what you vote for.
Do you think Apple store employees have the CEOs phone number on autodial?
You’re complaining to the girl at checkout about prices like she has anything to do with it.
She has a boss doesn’t she? You act like there isn’t a chain of command like she can’t go to her manager and refuse to be a corporate shill.
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I hope you’re not actually as rude to retail workers, waitstaff, and other members of the service industry as your comments make you seem like you’d be
I’m not rude to anybody who isn’t rude first.
But if someone is going to act like a braindead mouthpiece for a corporation then I will tell them why they’re wrong.
I never said be mean to staff, or rude. And you can’t point out where I have because it didn’t happen. You can still tell staff that insist on telling you that regulators are the cause of e-waste to inform themselves of their corporations decisions and how they sound parroting lies.
Staff aren’t being instructed to say this lol
Then there won’t be anything to say to them about it will there.
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Do you have any idea how many people are NOT going to be aware of the change and, if the sales people don’t tell them, it’s going to be a steady stream of Karen after Karen in the store. The general public doesn’t follow the tech news like this. Most of them aren’t going to be aware they’ll need a new cable if they need more than what’s in the box.
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Where in that article, other than the headline, does it say Apple is specifically saying that? It doesn’t. It’s an editorial decision.
You’re basing your whole rant on what you read in the headline only?
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You said this…
That isn’t actually stated as fact or rumor anywhere other than the headline. So, yes, you were basing the whole rant in the post I replied to on a headline.
You’re right. Sorry.
“You get what you vote for”. My friend, you are unfamiliar with American politics it seems. Corruption exists in the world and gerrymandering is a problem in the us. I implore you to see others with empathy instead of hatred.
This comes off very condescending and xenophobic. I get that other countries have better rights. I’d love to have that. But if you don’t quite know the extent of what you’re hatefully spewing, maybe try to see things through others shoes instead of insulting them. We are all people and the world would be a better place if everyone realized that.
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Or lightning was available first before usbc, and apple went with that and just has been stubborn to change.
Looks like lightning in 2012 and usbc in 2014.
Apple developed lightning. It had the same transfer rate as USB 2.0 which had been out for over a decade. It wasn’t about being “stubborn”, it was about being proprietary.
That’s a fair point. Apple has been known to do that in the past with FireWire.
But I guess on the issue of whether or not — at the time, two years before usb-c was readily available — apple should have used usb-c or lightning (the thing they helped make), you would assume they would go with lightning over waiting until an unknown amount of time for another plug to be available.
When I say they were stubborn to change from that, they were/are simply stubborn to change from that. I wish they would have pulled the bandaid off when they switched to usb-c on iPad.
Though, that said, barring speed/power, I do actually think the lightning connector is a superior design. It’s simpler, and there’s nothing to break inside the port on the phone/device. I wish usb-c was physically the same or similar.
FireWire was legitimately superior at the time, particularly for video transfer.
I still have to disagree. There was no reason for them to develop lightning in the first place. It has 0 advantages over technology already available at the time, and their adapters use the technology they’re trying to upsell anyways- USB.
As for the last subjective part of your statement: “The Apple Community forums are full of people posting stories about their broken cables, and it appears to be one of the most common issues that Apple users are facing.”
Edit: I wish I could find a conclusive source for lightning vs micro-usb charging speed in 2012, it has proven difficult. This article suggests an extremely negligible 0.3A difference that effectively did nothing because all phone batteries at the time had a 1A charging maximum https://www.gearmo.com/things-to-know-about-lightning-cables/
Lightning cables had, and have, substantial advantages over micro-USB:
I’ll preface this by admitting I misspoke. Lightning did develop into a better technology once the power delivery got better and I forgot they desperately needed the slightly higher PD for the 4th gen iPad. I also completely forgot about the logical data layers afforded by the extra pins because it’s such a strange niche to need direct output for your phone rather than just moving the files to a computer. However, this still doesn’t explain why they wouldn’t just switch to USB-C when it was released and proven to serve all these functions, and I take issue with every other point you made.
I would love conclusive, hard data on this but this has been spread everywhere and it’s completely anecdotal. I’ve seen the “40K to 10K” comparisons but the 40K mating cycles minimum is attributed to the lightning port while the 10K mating cycles minimum is attributed to the micro usb/usb-c cable.
Really?
Apple’s very own branded lightning cables are terrible quality. I don’t see why you wouldn’t hold a first-party manufacturer accountable for their low quality standard and then turn around and point to a low standard for third-party manufacturers.
Apple helped develop USB-C too as they are members of the consortium. No (non-self-serving) reason why they couldn’t have delayed the swap an additional year or two back then.