I said the problem is not UE, I didn’t say i love it, did I? I only said the engine is not the problem if it’s not infested with EOS. Games that force it now or retroactively add it are the big problem, EOS and Tim is the second problem
But… Why? I don’t understand why you would be okay with using a company’s engine but not their online services. Is it a privacy issue? You don’t even have to log in to Epic unless you want cross platform play.
I don’t use it nor I’m okay using it. You’re forced to use their launcher and have an account with them. I wouldn’t really mind an account to use the engine (if I was good at making games! But that’s another problem 🤷♂️) but why is it tied to okay I was gonna make an argument at why is the engine tied to a launcher but steam is the same (I knew but checked to be sure) not that I care much in both cases tho.
The problem is I don’t trust epic and their EOS since they have a bad reputation for what they do and did.
You don’t have to install the launcher to play games that use EOS. You don’t have to make an account unless you want to log into Epic, which is not necessary to play the game (unless of course you bought it on the epic store).
The only arguably bad thing about EOS’ inclusion is that it can collect some telemetry about you, which Epic currently claims to be pretty sparse.
Yes, I know but the problem is that it gets installed with the game even if you don’t want it, it’s used even with single player games and deleting it, the game refuses to launch. Why single player games need it? No, the “for Telemetry purposes” is not a valid answer. I don’t want it on my system, period. We can argue whether it’s the dev or not since I’m sure (assumption since I’m not a dev nor I know one) it’s not the dev that decides to add it. Damn, I wish I could remember which game didn’t work with eos dll removed (happened months ago). Ooh Apex Legends (good or not, don’t care about it) added eos mandatory, if you block your pc to phoning home (hosts file) to epic, it refuses to launch. WHY?!
If Satisfactory can run in single player (don’t care about multi nor I have friends lol) without the eos dll and updates don’t add it back, maybe I’ll think about it but I can’t test it since I don’t own the game.
I mean, it’s there so the game can utilize Epic’s online services, like achievements. Doing so requires the use of the EOS SDK. So it’s not like they can just include a check box to disable the functionality; that would require an entirely separate release of the game. It’s already not doing anything besides making sure the EOS server exists unless you’re engaging with Epic systems. At least that’s the case for dedicated servers, but I would assume that it’s the same if you only select Steam multiplayer (or single player mode).
I dislike Sweeny et al more than most, but do you boycott all UE games?
The problem is not UE tho
They’re both Epic, my guy – do you just specifically dislike one of the engineers working on EOS or what?
I said the problem is not UE, I didn’t say i love it, did I? I only said the engine is not the problem if it’s not infested with EOS. Games that force it now or retroactively add it are the big problem, EOS and Tim is the second problem
But… Why? I don’t understand why you would be okay with using a company’s engine but not their online services. Is it a privacy issue? You don’t even have to log in to Epic unless you want cross platform play.
I don’t use it nor I’m okay using it.
You’re forced to use their launcher and have an account with them. I wouldn’t really mind an account to use the engine (if I was good at making games! But that’s another problem 🤷♂️) but why is it tied tookay I was gonna make an argument at why is the engine tied to a launcher but steam is the same (I knew but checked to be sure) not that I care much in both cases tho.The problem is I don’t trust epic and their EOS since they have a bad reputation for what they do and did.
You don’t have to install the launcher to play games that use EOS. You don’t have to make an account unless you want to log into Epic, which is not necessary to play the game (unless of course you bought it on the epic store).
The only arguably bad thing about EOS’ inclusion is that it can collect some telemetry about you, which Epic currently claims to be pretty sparse.
Yes, I know but the problem is that it gets installed with the game even if you don’t want it, it’s used even with single player games and deleting it, the game refuses to launch. Why single player games need it? No, the “for Telemetry purposes” is not a valid answer. I don’t want it on my system, period. We can argue whether it’s the dev or not since I’m sure (assumption since I’m not a dev nor I know one) it’s not the dev that decides to add it. Damn, I wish I could remember which game didn’t work with eos dll removed (happened months ago). Ooh Apex Legends (good or not, don’t care about it) added eos mandatory, if you block your pc to phoning home (hosts file) to epic, it refuses to launch. WHY?!
If Satisfactory can run in single player (don’t care about multi nor I have friends lol) without the eos dll and updates don’t add it back, maybe I’ll think about it but I can’t test it since I don’t own the game.
I mean, it’s there so the game can utilize Epic’s online services, like achievements. Doing so requires the use of the EOS SDK. So it’s not like they can just include a check box to disable the functionality; that would require an entirely separate release of the game. It’s already not doing anything besides making sure the EOS server exists unless you’re engaging with Epic systems. At least that’s the case for dedicated servers, but I would assume that it’s the same if you only select Steam multiplayer (or single player mode).