Because you now did it to yourself.

  • Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    It wasn’t a good reason not to vote for her, but unfortunately is one of the reasons some people didn’t vote. She should have never gone negative and stuck to positive messaging about how they had real plans to help real people.

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      10 days ago

      She should have never gone negative and stuck to positive messaging about how they had real plans to help real people.

      The problem with that is that Democrats’ insistence on incrementalism in all things had destroyed their credibility when they say that they’ll help people. No, they’ll start some investigations, throw up a hurdle in their own path, gleefully announce that it’s insurmountable, and then scream that everyone who saw what they just did doesn’t know how government works.

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        9 days ago

        You can’t just ignore how the government works and the fact that Democrats never had a real majority in the Senate thanks to Sinema and Manchin.

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              9 days ago

              You’re ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It’s dishonest to exclude them. But you’re splitting hairs because it’s convenient for your excuses.

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                9 days ago

                Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily???

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                  9 days ago

                  One of the independents is Bernie Sanders.

                  Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted.

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                    They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade.

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                  THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party.

                  The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted.

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                    9 days ago

                    I am talking about Sinema and Manchin only. They may have had a D next to their name, but they were not on the side of Democrats when it mattered.