BrooklynMan

it’s totalitarianism vs freedom to have intelligent discourse

bigotry isn’t “intelligent discourse”, and calling out bigots for their bigotry isn’t “totalitarianism."

Is there really a difference between those two things?

You can just set your phone to wipe after X wrong attempts and do that, ending the issue.

Or how about, “quotes Hitler”?

lmao

You don’t. You are aware you can block communities?

and you can just join hexbear if you want to play with the bullies and trolls. no need to force them on everyone else. you don’t and never had freedom of speech here. to claim you did is a lie.

your argument is fallacious and hypocritical. if you don’t like being called out for you fallacies and hypocrisy, stop making fallacious an hypocritical arguments.

Why should everyone sign up the multiple accounts because your want to impose your views on others?

right back at ya

Why would I sign up to a community I don’t agree with? I’m just not that a snowflake and think freedom of speech is important.

it’s been my experience that those who cry for freedom of speech the loudest are those who just want to use it to harm others without consequence.

nobody should be made to suffer trolls just because you can’t cope with an inconvenience. your argument is bad-faith and hypocritical on its face.

you’re still very free to join hexbear

got stuck in a sand trap on the back nine

as a lemmy.world user, I can’t tell you all enough about how much our quality of life has improved since we defederated form hexbear.net. far less moderation is necessary and general browsing is far more pleasant not having to constantly be bombarded by those awful stickers and brigades of trolls with their endless baiting and attacks.

why should users and mods be constantly burdened day I and day out with users from an instance whose entire ethos is that of shitposting trolls? if lemm.ee is supposed to be a nice place, why would you intentionally let in a group of people you know have zero intention of comporting to your expected code of conduct and have a well-established pattern of behavior that’s hostile, combative, and toxic towards a large portion of your user base?

yes, defederation is a last-resort option, but what other choices do you have when current user and mod options simply aren’t sufficient? defederation isn’t permanent, and if, by some miracle, hexbear users suddenly become well-behaved, lemm.ee can always re-federate with them. if they weren’t the titanic problem they genuinely are, several other instances wouldn’t also be currently discussing defederation in addition to those which already have.

I’m reminded of an old post I once saw about a bartender who kicks out any Nazi who enters his bar, even if they’re well-mannered and isn’t bothering other patrons. Even though they may be polite and bothering nobody, eventually, they come back with a friend, then another, then then 10 others, and then BOOM, you’e a Nazi bar.

Don’t make lemm.ee a toxic, hostile, troll-filled hexbear bar. keep it nice. keep it safe. ❤️

edit: not even a day later, and I get this pvt message from a lemm.ee user warning me of this scary-ass comment they got with a stalking/death threat they received from a hexbear troll, with a list of users they feel slighted them and other hexbear users.

HEXBEAR USERS ARE DANGEROUS. HEXBEAR USERS ARE TERRORISTS.

names blurred for safety

Original article from Fox News, of course.

at least it would be a cool story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you can almost certainly just rent them for a short time.

from another comment:

https://gravity.co/

it’s 2023, and… yeah… this story sounds like bad sci-fi, so it’s probably true. I’d read he article, but I’m afraid I’d see the word “unobtainum” and throw my phone across the room.

pff, of course they are

from what my friends have told me, that novelty wears off real quick, and is replaced with the concern it will break or wear out— which happens more frequently than manufacturers claim. if not the screen itself, then the hinges, which were a common problem with the old flip-phones, too, back in the day.

I mean, you like what you like. I’m just speaking from a practical standpoint in that any moving parts = a high manufacturing cost and higher rate of defect and breakage. the primary advantage of the “candy bar” form factor is that it reduces/eliminates moving parts and potential points of failure from the physical design.

I admit… I really do miss the idea, even the feel of flipping a phone shut. hell, I even miss slamming a phone down to end a call. angrily jamming my finger into a screen to end a call is REALLY unsatisfying, and often ends in my throwing my phone across the room, and I’ve thankfully developed the habit of throwing it at my couch to save on replacing expensive smartphones, lol. but, until tech evolves tot he point where we get phablets a la Westworld or Legion that can unfold into a super-slim tablet rather than fold down into a flip-phone from the past whose screen could actually just break at any moment because the tech was rushed…. yeah, I’m not interested.

yeah, I can understand.

like, if this were, say, 1942 and I wanted to take aspirin for my headache, I’d try to find another manufacturer than Bayer.

I still do, for that matter.