Here’s a couple of good starting points for the line:

if you have to sell your time/labour for money, you’re not rich.

if you can take a day off and not need to tell anyone about it and not lose money because of it, you’re rich.

Ah ok you’re comment was descriptive… while mine was idealistic.

that is not true. Speed and turnaround NEVER wins over skill and quality. You need skill to produce stuff fast that is also of value.

I guess I realise now that the value of something is not what people believe it to be. It is the length of suffering and effort the creator went through.

they don’t solve them. They make it harder for you to make mistakes. Doesn’t stop a capable developer from still introducing vulnerabilities.

that html page without js and just links is MORE secure than anything with JS.

use

display: flex flex-direction: column align-items: center

on the parent container

Stackoverflow is for senior devs to clown on junior devs. It’s the inverse of helping juniors.

I can’t cater to everyone’s needs.

Can’t wait for the law to slap you in the face someday.

well yes… that’s what one expects when they go DIY.

THAT is the message you took from all this? What you’re going to root for the smug ignorant asshole?

I often compare vibe coding to lord of the rings. Saruman blocks the fellowship’s path with difficult challenges. So too does solving hard problems in programming. So Gandalf decides they will take the mines of moria (vibe coding). He knows better but does so anyway. The rest of the fellowship naively follows him down (junior devs). Most of the path is just minor hiccups and the juniors fumbling around. But they get to a certain point and things start to get too heated. The hordes of goblins being the bugs introduced by the LLM as they keep changing the code via different prompts. Then they inevitably awaken the Balrog… the monstrous Complexity Demon that was brewing behind the vibe coding sunshine and roses.

We used to be able to do multiplayer only without the need for official servers.

it’s a bit of a straw man from your side to act like the discussion is about multiplayer when we are discussing about single player campaign based RPGs or about multiplayer when the company deliberately shuts it down in favour of a new version that just milks players for more money; or about toasters that definitely don’t need internet connection to function.

that’s the company’s problem. They made it too complicated.

they’re a business and it’s ok to only care about money. But it’s a big nono for us to do so?

all well and good but there is one aspect which i disagree. Modern supply chains are an inefficient way to organize our economies. We are destroying flora and fauna at great speeds in the name of maintaining modern supply chains and convenience. We should not consume things which are not able to be produced sustainably and that means only having things that are produced locally.

World spanning supply chains are a symptom of greed, war-mongering, and anti-sustainability. they are world devouring activities.

when tech folk get milked by every other merchant and pay extra, while getting ripped off… we do feel like daily wage workers.

then you’re oddly commenting on a thread about striking… which is secondary to the important step of building organizations and support structures. Its hard to near impossible for people to strike who depend on that pay check to clear debt, pay rent, etc. Participating in regular organizing events is the right advice, and you got off on the wrong foot asking first for people to strike and only when asked questions you revealed people need to organize. without the proper support structures and alternative means of income in place, it is near impossible to convince people to strike. They need the strike because they don’t have financial security to stop obeying their boss. You’re ignoring the initial situation. That’s creating a perception of you being about only what you think needs to happen without considering others.

Edit: I did not mean YOU specifically asked people to strike first but you get the point. I am reacting to “we need to strike” as a sentence on its own.

maybe try to win over people instead of assuming we don’t know how tough it is out there as a blue collar worker? I didn’t say your life was a walk in the park. I said we as tech workers are still breaking our health for capitalist profits which we don’t see much of. Why do you think I chose an office job? My father was an assembly line worker making automotive starter motors. He came home and slept is all i remember from his working days. You think you should feel proud of someone going away from backbreaking work or do you think less of them because they decided to make their lives a little bit easier?

If you still get paid for a job not well done… it’s still hurts the company. Believe me, there has been an attack on tech workers by the industry. Firing people during record profits, using LLMs to upset the negotiating power of artists and software people alike, not giving inflation adjusted pay hikes, etc. You can even see the billionaire owned media grind their gears trying to come up with words to discredit workers doing their bare-minimum such as “quiet quitting”.

It shouldn’t be a conspiracy theory to claim that a few people control the reins of a lot of workers… in reality it’s a community of few thousand billionaires cooperating to oppress workers.

Edit:

Just because we don’t physically picket in front of our offices, does not mean we are not protesting. It’s just not visible in an outward manner.

And just because we all seem to be doing our own thing, doesn’t mean we aren’t organizing. We just consider organizing as just quietly aligning our wallets and behaviours without being overt about it. I am sure there are a lot of organization for software developers for people who do want to be loud about it too.