

Those are not inherently the same,
Yes, they are, like I said, you don’t have to mean it to be transphobic for it to be transphobic. People who are ignorant and get called out who don’t want to be transphobes will admit ignorance, apologise, and improve their behaviour. Anything else makes a person a transphobe, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you.
I haven’t debated them though? I called them transphobes, left 3 links for the sake of anyone who might be reading their nonsense and want some correct information, blocked them all, and reported the issue.