ZahzenEclipse

I trust them more than “alt” historians who use flimsy evidence.

Yeah and we need to stop those too.

I’m not sure I’d trust non historians about history.

Well you took the cowards way out. I was hoping you’d actually try to contend with any of the many points they made as it would be an interesting conversation but you had to lean on ad homs in the end.

I think the distance I need to go probably makes it unfeasible for my particular scenario but its definitely something to pay attention too. Thanks for the back and forth.

Okay, but what does a system look like that moves past both? How do you ensure people get resources if you don’t want capitalism or a planned economy?

Do you think if we stop the war on drugs, that will reduce the number of homeless drug addicted people? I don’t think it will. There’s need to be more to it than that, otherwise you’re literally not preparing for the 2nd half of that foot drop.

I largely agree alot of these problems are a result of criminalizing drug use but decriminizing doesn’t solve some of these problems with homeless folks which is probably more related to mental health services.

It’s a relevant point. We don’t allow cigarette companies to advertise to children so should it be acceptable to advertise crack or coke?

Do you think kids should be subjected to people shooting up drugs when playing outside or when going to school?

I am anti drug war personally but if any situation led to it being easier for kids to be subjected to that, that seems like a worse world.

I agree broadly with much of your assessment of history and many of the problems that bely current western society. The rich might be exploiting capitalism to their benefit but a capitalist system with proper regulation will always be better (in terms of Quality of life and freedom) for larger groups of people Than a planned economy.

How far of a distance was it? I’m trying to plan a trip right now and if I drive by myself the plane is easily cheaper. If I go with a group of people then driving is obviously cheaper.

the cost

The reason people use planes typically is its cheaper or roughly the same price when compared to driving - especially if you do t have the efficiency of being able to travel with multiple people.

the chance of getting sick because of the recycled air

Do you have anything to back this up? My understanding, during covid, air plane travel was relatively safe in comparison to other enclosed spaces due to the air filtering equipment.

Who determines its unnecessary? The market? Government groups?

We’re still a far way away from the level of automation necessary to make working only 2 days a week feasible imo

Why would a business pay for these things that make their workers more efficient and then relinquish all of the profit that came from making things more efficient?

Do you think the majority of US citizens want higher taxes? There’s alot of de-programming that has to be done. Democrats, who are generally better than Republicans when it comes to this stuff (due to the low bar they’ve erected) aren’t necessarily full on board with tax increases.

Whats misleading about it?

"One glaring problem with allowing this program to exist for any extended period of time is that, unless it is privately funded, it would be too expensive to maintain and would require substantial tax increases across the board.

The group’s page even admits that, saying, “there’s a number of ways to pay for guaranteed income, from a sovereign wealth fund in which citizens benefit from shard national resources like the Alaska Permanent Fund, to bringing tax rates on the wealthiest Americans to their 20th century historical averages.”

I think it part of it may have been related to how high taxes might have to be made and it would be damn near impossible to pass those level of taxes. It couldn’t be done souly city by city I don’t think otherwise wealthy would flee the city to avoid the taxes levied - at least that woulf be a concern of mine.

Maybe it was related to pandemic stuff: https://www.kqed.org/news/11946467/study-shows-limits-of-stocktons-guaranteed-income-program-during-pandemic

It’s been awhile since I’ve looked into specifically anything UBI related so I could be misrembering.

Society couldn’t function if most people worked like you. I’m happy for you and it’s the exact place I want to be but I think its only possible in our current framework.