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[we are doing it for the] “integrity of information and resources connected to the Clemson network”.

They’re not doing it to censor or discourage use. They’re doing it because they don’t want the software running on their network alongside their network resources.

You can still use tiktok, just not while connected to their network infrastructure.

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Good point! I’m sure Zuckerberg knows what lemmy is, social media is his bread and butter. It would be silly if at the very least his team did not make him aware of its existence. But they are developing an app that will work with the fediverse, so even doubly weird if he wasn’t aware of lemmy and any other significant fediverse apps.

I didn’t even know about ruud running a mastodon instance, but your second point has me doubling down on my question, whereas before I had my doubts because the meta letter was mastodon focused, but you’ve kind of brought that full circle for me with the info you’ve shared. Thanks!

Fair enough, I can’t argue with being careful.

I’m still curious if they took a meeting. And for admins who have an open support thread and are responsive to support questions, I’d expect they can handle showing up to a post and answer some questions their community has.

That said, I’m just one person and there’s no obligation to answer to little old me. Thankfully this post can be upvoted or downvoted, so the community can choose to support this inquiry or bury it. And I suppose, lemmy.world admins can choose to respond or simply ignore it.

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I’ve decided to make a post to ask them straight up

If you’d like to see this question answered, please consider upvoting my post for visibility: https://lemmy.world/post/1216080

Agreed, I could absolutely understand ruuds trepidation, if there is any.

The thing is, just say that. Say, “hey I’m afraid you guys are gonna eat me alive if I make the wrong call, and for that reason, I’m taking care to abstain from any call.” We would absolutely understand.

But at this point I also want to know, did you or anyone representing lemmy.world take that meeting?

I believe refederation is as simple as defederation. It’s a reversible setting.

I think a follow up question would be, would platforms who are defederated by your instance retaliate by defeterating their instance from yours? If so, would they be so willing to refederate as you are, when that time comes? Or will they hold a grudge.

If anyone’s wondering, I’m on the fence but leaning toward defederation. Meta is a scourge.

Edit: also looking to find a new home instance, I don’t like or appreciate the lemmy.world admin’s silence on the matter and feel like they attended that “off the record” p92/threads meeting with Meta and are playing ball. I have nothing to back it up, but what more would compel such silence? If you’re not sure, just say that. The lemmy community seems to appreciate transparency, and I know for certain that I do too.

Wonder if they were invited to metas p92 meeting for “off the record conversation” and obliged

I’d love to take credit but that was midjourney (and all the artists that feed its capabilities.)

I think my prompt was “a logo featuring a mouse holding a magnifying glass”

I’ve since realized that I should have said lemming instead of mouse, but a dummy like me can only do so much.

Great point and ideas, I hope to see things like this introduced as the lemmy project matures

Those are good practices if you have privacy concerns.

we’re just talking about custom interfaces to analyze public data

Semi-public. As it stands, only instance admins have access to per-user vote data. Possibly also API users, but I’m not sure the lemmy api has an endpoint for exposing per-user vote data, I believe it just gives you a tally of the up/down votes of posts and comments, but not who made each vote. But most people don’t have the skillset to host their own instance and process the data into something meaningful/easy to digest.

You could make the argument that semi-public is basically public, but I think there is some nuance to be explored:

Once a site like open lemmy stats launches, it becomes trivial for any user to query that data, who upvoted what, who downvoted what, when they up/downvoted it, etc.

There’s a difference between something being available to people motivated enough to get it vs it reaching critical mass and being trivial to access by anyone with a browser. How the data is ultimately used, whether it is used nefariously or not, is going to be up to the people that access openlemmystats and what they wish to use it for.

Which has me considering an analogy, without expressly intending to make this political, please consider the statement “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”. “Openlemmystats doesnt harass political dissenters! The people who use it do!”. One could argue that openlemmystats wouldn’t do anything inherently bad, it’s the people who would use it. Just like with guns, there will likely be debate on whether or not the world would be better without openlemmystats or if we should start doing things to make it impossible for openlemmystats-alike sites to exist.

That said, I mostly agree with you, and I appreciate your privacy suggestions/best practices, good stuff!

Edit: for the record, I think “guns don’t kill people, people do” is a stupid statement, but I thought it was an interesting analogy. That is to say nothing of my feelings on gun control, I’m just not a fan of distilling complex issues into dismissive one line statements.