Nah mate. There’s no arguing with religion even with proof.

That argument doesn’t hold any water.

But it being true kinda does

Skin is extremely flexible,water proof and self-repairable.

They are, though.

People who eat meat are paying others to torture animals.

Well, you don’t. But a good first step is scaling wayyy down. Factory farming is a response to public demand for meat.

In torture, the goal is typically something other than the pain in itself.

Everyone agrees? Really? So is humanity just collectively ignoring the alternatives? How is it possible that “everyone agrees” that you prefer no torture and pain, but the vast majority of people chose to engage in that practice? How can you live like that?

Unnatural doesn’t mean supernatural. Words have meanings. Do you also go around saying synthetic materials are aktshually natural?

We’re not talking about war, that’s a whole other topic. Ants don’t have war for pleasure. They have war to protect or expand their territory. We torture animals for pleasure. I know trying to call me ignorant makes you feel a little better but it doesn’t make you correct.

My point is that at the scale we’re doing it, this is not a waste product. It’s just a product like the oil is a product. We like calling things a waste product to make us feel better about our exploitative behaviours. Like how we call leather a waste product of the dairy industry. It’s not waste, it’s just another product.

That’s not true. We’re way past that point.

Oh, right, how could I forget the factory farms that ants build where they pack thousands of aphyds in tiny cubicles where they can’t even move, feed them unhealthy diets to make them grow at unhealthy speeds to the point their bones break, and then finally kill the for meat. /s

Nothing else in nature compares to our animal torture industry.

No other species has built killing factories that torture and kill billions of animals per day. It’s not even comparable.

I use the word “humane” in the sense of “you would mot subject humans to it”.

I was directly responding to the previous commenter saying that it’s natural to hunt and eat. Our current system of industrial farming of animals is inhumane for both animals and farmers. Nature might be unforgiving and metal, but we have brought the unnecessary torture of sentient animals to unholy levels.

That’s what I meant with my comment.

Why? Who decided that there aren’t supposed to be this many humans? We just need to accept that humans exist and work with that. Unless your solution is genocide and mass sterelization. And historically, richer nations paradoxically breed less, which is pretty unnatural IMO but seems like the solution to overpopulation: feed and educate.

Meat production is much, much more agressive on the biodiversity of land than veggies with comparable nutritional value. Lots of research shows that. Not only is the area needed to farm animals immense, but then you also need to grow feed crops like soy and corn to feed the animals. Both are major sources of deforestation. You are absolutely wrong.

There’s nothing natural about our food production, specially meat production.

That’s the law in many European countries.