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As if that fuck would ever take the train

“The pilots are crashing the plane because they’re too old… so we should replace them with pilots who have never flown a plane before but have really good hand eye coordination and who did well at PE class”… no bro we should just find some pilots who know how to fly a plane but aren’t fucking ancient rather than over correct to a worse position

Ah yes because we live in a post-consequences-for-assholes world apparently

I definitely didn’t intend to imply or accuse you of being astroturfey or anything else for that matter and I’m truly sorry it came off that way. It seems I should be much more careful in my wording. I did a bad job of paraphrasing something I heard about how the original Reddit accounts and lack of traditional organizers are a bit suspicious.

At the end of the day I think we’re all scared and trying to navigate a complex media ecosystem and it’s easy to make mistakes.

I genuinely have heard concerns from friends and was trying to check their veracity. It seems from what I’ve heard here that they are bogus and I’m grateful to the commenters who have pointed that out.

I added an edit to my original comment to try to make this clearer to anyone else who’s been fed the same misinformation as me and I’ll definitely share that with my community.

Ugh I hope not, if so it’s worked on at least a few people in my community and I apologize for helping it propagate with my comment here

I definitely will ask, that’s what I was trying to do with my original comment. It seems like it’s not a widely shared concern which I’m very glad to see.

I definitely don’t mean to discourage attendance or anything like that, I totally agree with you that as long as people are cautious about PII, etc. there shouldn’t be more risk here than at any other protest

I’m just echoing some suspicions I’ve heard from more knowledgeable friends and was asking, I don’t really know enough detail to have any opinion myself; sorry if it’s a silly question.

I’ve just heard that organizers coming out of it/ the Reddit accounts that originally elevated it seemed astroturfeyand there’s concern there, and I’ve seen some more paranoid ideas thrown around about it but idk

I’ve heard from some of my more active friends that none of the usual leaders or orgs they know of were a part of founding this and there’s some suspicion it was created by right wingers to collect data; can anyone speak to this?

Edit: It seems that this claim is likely being made (either maliciously or like in this case just stupidly :P) to suppress protest turnout.

I mean it’s getting under trumps skin because he isn’t interested in valid criticisms and only understands schoolyard level insults.

It’s working as a message on the general public even more so because Vance and Trump’s messaging has gotten further from the original populism and more focused on an in group or his qult or whatever.

I don’t think “weird” is working in the sense of having any marked impact on racism

I absolutely agree racism should be called out whenever and wherever possible, I’m just not sure calling it weird is the right way to do that.

Also most Americans may not be explicitly racist the way trump and right wingers are but the majority certainly have internal prejudices or biases. Many left leaning people I know have had to put work and intentionality into unlearning patterns of thought or biases

Let’s not overuse weird, a ton of what he does is super weird but this isn’t really; it’s just racist which is pretty in character for him and his base

I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say but what I meant is that I agree people on the left are most keenly aware of the dangers of fascism and if you’re surrounded by mostly them (aka in a left leaning echo chamber) then you’ll believe that most people are aware of the threat and take it seriously.

Unfortunately in my experience most people outside of the left (which is most people in this country) don’t share that awareness and therefore do not take the threat as seriously as they should

I very much don’t think your average person understands the threat of fascism or what’s on the line, I feel like that belief comes from being in a left leaning echo chamber.

Obviously anecdotal but the vast majority of people I know are not great about consuming news, are not politically active, and don’t believe this election will have the deep consequences that I do.

Very curious what makes a man who said he believes he’d prefer suicide to prison show up in Texas on a private jet and turn himself in

Potentially irreversible damage, we have extremely little time to take meaningful action on climate change and if trump gets to appoint judges for the next 4 years the situation very easily could be unrecoverable

I was wondering about this situation, thanks for posting an update. I think the podcast did a great job of explaining the complexity of the issue while making sure to leave passing judgement or picking a side to the tribal leaders and stewards of the language

I think the clumsily forcing children to relive their trauma in an unwelcoming environment with strangers without any preparation for how that might go wrong is the part that seems the most harmful.

Regardless though, any time a scientific study is being performed on an at risk population there are a set of safeguards and guardrails that need to be put in place to ensure safety and ethics. Children of First Nations families who have experienced trauma are one of the most vulnerable groups I can possibly think of, who don’t have the same ability to advocate for themselves or the same safety nets as others.

You’re correct that this seems to have done less harm than many of the egregious examples of experiments or acts done to native peoples on colonized land, but the fact is that in the 21st century every group, regulatory body, ethics review board, and government agency that was involved in this seemed to shrug and leave these kids in the hands of a lunatic who thought he could teach them to fly or talk to angels by altering brainwaves

Sure it could have been worse and this doctor could have caused more harm than he did, but honestly the fact that he was given the access, funding, and opportunities he was is a resounding indictment of the system as a whole regardless of what he did with them

I know a bit about Canada’s history there, I appreciate you sharing more information.

The level of disregard our society has for indigenous populations and the injustices they suffer is heartbreaking and infuriating, most people seem to think it’s either a problem of the past or an uncomfortable conversation to ignore

How does that just get blindly rubber stamped and funded for so long that’s insane