drain bamage (broken ai)

On the internet, not everyone knows you’re an idiot.

But goddamnit, I’m trying to get the word out.

Please feel free to downvote every comment I’ve ever posted, if it will bring you joy.

  • 0 Posts
  • 45 Comments
Joined 1 year ago
cake
Cake day: July 5th, 2023

help-circle
  • This is an interesting idea. So if I’m understanding you correctly the workflow would be like this:

    1. user uploads 4 images… 2 are flagged as CSAM.

    2. user overwrites the flag on one image, asserting that “no, this isn’t CSAM”

    3. in other sites, I’ve seen this work by the content remaining hidden except for the user until a team reviews it. If the team agrees, it’s allowed on the site. I think this is different from what you are describing though. I think you’re suggesting that the content stay online after the user overwrites the flagging, but then a mod will later double-check to see if the user was indeed trustworthy.

    I only worry that an untrustworthy user will keep the content online until a mod reviews it, increasing the time the material is online and increasing the risk. It would be difficult to argue that “this was done in the interest of user satisfaction, even though it means that more CSAM got out”. Ultimately I don’t know how many people want to argue that to a judge.


  • Lemmy admins need to do whatever it is they can to handle CSAM if and when it arises. Users need to be understanding in this because as I’ve argued in other threads, CSAM itself poses a threat to the instance itself, as it poses a threat to the admins if they cannot clean up the material in a timely manner.

    This is going to likely get weird for a bit, including but not limited to:

    • instances going offline temporarily
    • communities going offline temporarily
    • image uploads being turned off
    • sign ups being disabled
    • applications and approval processes for sign ups
    • ip or geoip limiting (not sure if this feature currently exists in lemmy, I suspect it doesn’t but this is merely a guess)
    • totally SFW images being flagged as CSAM. Not advocating against use of ML / CV approaches, but historically they aren’t 100% and have gotten legit users incorrectly flagged. Example

    I just want folks to know that major sites like reddit and facebook usually have (not very well) paid teams of people who’s sole job is to remove this material. Lemmy has overworked volunteers. Please have patience, and if you feel like arguing about why any of the methods I mentioned above are BS or have any questions reply to this message.

    I’m not an admin, but I’m planning on being one and I’m sort of getting a feel for how the community responds to this sort of action. We don’t get to see it a lot in major social media sites because they aren’t as transparent (or as understaffed) as lemmy instances are.















  • I said traffic. You said ads.

    Keep in mind companies make money in more ways than ads.

    A companies valuation includes an estimate for the worth of each active user…about $1 or more per registered email.

    Site traffic is also counted, because although those users are anonymous they are still eyeballs.

    Also, it is trivially easy to include ads over RSS. This may happen at some point.

    Until then, you are giving your traffic to reddit, helping boost their value before IPO.

    As for costing reddit traffic, my sweet summer child… RSS is 1000% more efficient than reddit’s app or web ui.



  • You mean the country that owns and has always owned .ml TLD, which states rules you must follow if you want to register a domain with that TLD, which states the penalties which include forfiet of your domain name, surpised people when they did what they said they would do?

    This is kind of interesting to see how the public views ownership. There seems to be an assumption that buying xyz.com is akin to buying a utility (we pay for water service to drink and drown or waterboard). This ain’t it. A domain name is a registration in a database on servers that need to be constantly online, it had costs, it has governance concerns and technical infrastructure that must be maintained. There isn’t a higher power here, no government owns the internet, but some governments do own their own TLDs. This makes it possible to have mali.ml vs visitbeautifulmali420.squarespace.com. It might feel like you have the power to buy fuckmali.ml and put turn it into goatse but mali can nuke your registration if they wanted to. How did these countries get the TLDs? ICANN. But don’t think ICANN is going to jump in and break their rules for you.

    This sucks but ICANN has a solution… there are many many TLDs out there now. They all work the same: it’s just a name, point it where you go and it works like any .com or .org. or whatever. Fun ones like .zip and .xxx. grab one you like but be sure to read the rules when registering. Some TLDs do NOT allow private registration. Most country based TLDs (ccTLDs) require that you live in that country and provide proof of citizenship.

    This has been around since the inception of the internet. There are alternatives to ICANN, but I am not positive you will want to use them because:

    • your visitors will need to use these alternatives on all devices or on the router in order to access your site.
    • legit domain holders may not have records on these alternate services but malicious actors might. If we change the IP to a malicious actor for apple servers at the DNS level because the TLDs arent using the root-servers.net, anyone using those TLD root servers could easily be hacked.

    It’s not great, but ICANN starts the chain of trust upon which the internet relies.