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- news@endlesstalk.org
Users from 4chan claim to have discovered an exposed database hosted on Google’s mobile app development platform, Firebase, belonging to the newly popular women’s dating safety app Tea. Users say they are rifling through peoples’ personal data and selfies uploaded to the app, and then posting that data online, according to screenshots, 4chan posts, and code reviewed by 404 Media.
I can’t open the article, but I think I read that this was hosted on an unprotected bucket. Assuming that’s correct I wouldn’t say this was a breach. A better headline would be “Women dating safety app ‘Tea’ exposed women’s PII”.
To be 100% clear, I’m not excusing the hackers. I don’t believe it’s morally correct to publicize something because it is exposed. For folks curious about that you can look into how to ethically disclose vulnerabilities. I still view this as doxxing. I still believe what the hackers did should be a criminal offense, it’s just that I also believe the app holds a ton of the blame as well. How can you proclaim to be about keeping women safe while putting them at risk? That should be punished as well.
Like if the storage facility you trusted to hold your stuff never had locks on the doors, shouldn’t they take a lot of the blame as well as the thief who found out a door was unlocked?
Soft rules have never applied to the internet.
Things that you wouldn’t do afk, just because “those are the rules”, doesn’t apply when every empathy damaged person in the world with an internet connection can break them.
Well said.
They also said they deleted IDs once users were verified. The breach proved that to be an outright lie.
Criminal negligence.
The bigger problem is trying to get the mainstream that would read an article like that to understand the technical difference between hacking and accessing unsecured data.
The term has had so many definitions its not really meaningful.
To a normie, turning the pull tab on a beverage can around so that it holds a straw is a “hack.”
One of the definitions of hacking is illegally gaining access to a computer system. It doesn’t need to involve any sort of exploit. Stealing from an unlocked home is still stealing. Gaining access to a system by phishing is still hacking. Leaking data that is technically publicly accessible that isn’t meant to be publicly accessible is still hacking.
Not that I suspect anything good from 4chan but the proper thing to do would be to disclose to Tea that their data is public and allow them to fix the problem. The ethics of vulnerability disclosure still apply when the vulnerability is “hey you literally didn’t secure this at all.”
This is also The legal Definition applied in Germany (with the only difference being, that in Germany it is "gaining access to a system not meant to be accessed). The problem with this is, that everyone who finds security breaches is at threat to be punished for it, even if they ethically disclose it. There have been various cases of ethical hackers receiving fines for disclosing security vulnerabilities.
Same in America. Someone who found a government website had SSNs just sitting in the HTML was almost prosecuted for viewing the raw HTML after ethically disclosing it.
This reminded me of an anecdote from maybe 6 years ago. I was setting up and testing a small network and a couple devices to install for a customer, let’s say the subnet was 192.168.2.0/24.
Weird things were happening, I was being lazy and wasn’t directly connected to the network, may have setup a VPN between devices somewhere; can’t really remember. But pings would sometimes drop or blow out to 100’s ms.
I eventually ended up disconnecting that network entirely, then the pings continued and got more stable?? WTF! I need we didn’t have that subnet in use, even checked before setting it up. In the time between checking and the issues happening, someone in Sydney somewhere had stuffed up on their router and exposed there LAN to the internet without any Firewalls, just available.
Scanned and found all the IPs in use and in them found a printer. Connected to it and printed a page saying I’m from company XYZ and found all these devices available, and to either contact their IT and resolve it ASAP or my company to help. About an hour later it seemed to be resolved.
It was an interesting day.
I worked for a ISP. A cable company. We were getting our local offair channels from a site that was in easy reception of them. They had a large amount of bandwidth and did the same thing for dish and direct tv. The man who ran network side had a stroke and died. The hack that ran the broadcast side of their main business took over. Next thing I know I’m having all kinds of problems with our multicast tunnel. I port scanned the IP range and discover they have opened the whole thing up. We had a conference call where I detailed my concerns. Later that day the hack called my boss with his boss on the line and we had another meeting where I told them that they were exposed with default passwords and it could be a real problem.
After I was given verbal permission to demonstrate my concerns with some limitations I took over all default password equipment and sent a large amount short stories to their printers. I ended it with the story superiority by Author C. Clark. Some back and forth a day later and they needed a new sysadmin.
Uh… you can’t just “expose a LAN network to the Internet” in this manner. Local subnets aren’t routable over the Internet, so you can’t just enter 192.168.2.3 and end up on somebody else’s private LAN.
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/computer-networks/non-routable-address-space/
They would have needed to either have all their internal devices being assigned public IP’s or had NAT+firewall rules explicitly routing ports from their outside address(es) to the inside ones. The former is unlikely as normally ISPs don’t allocate that many to a given client, or at least not by DHCP. the latter would require a specific configuration mapping the outside addresses/ports to inside devices, likely on a per device+port basis.
Either your story is missing key details or you’ve misunderstood/made-up something.
They did indicate that the subnet they provided in the example was not the actual one they used.
The storage facility concept is kinda close, if you count it as “a storage facility beside a major intersection in a big facility, with the locker doors left open despite meant the warning at the front desk not to do so”