• NormalC@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    The shortest proper name is GNU.

    Inb4 Alpine, which is just called “Linux” internally.

    People use terrible words in CS and engineering in general. Doesn’t mean we don’t challenge them.

      • starman@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Linux want to be called an operating system but it’s a kernel.

        if only there was a way to combine these two…

      • NormalC@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        And hardware can’t talk to it. Has it ever occurred to you that there’s more at stake here? That companies feel the need to lock away hardware in order to drive their profit line.

        At least GNU has something interesting to say about computer science. And for what it’s worth, it’s telling to know that you woild rather disparage GNU rather than the purposeful decisions made by executives and manufactuers to render both hardware and software undocumented and subjugating.

        But no! That’s “unfixable” and we need to learn how to “deal with it.” God forbid anyone makes a ruckus about it. Freedom for me but not for thee in this fast paced economy.

        You picked the status quo and are now complaining that people reject the status quo.

        • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I feel like you misunderstood. Operating system has many functions, one of the most important ones is talking to hardware. GNU cannot do that because that’s the kernel’s job. And the kernel is Linux. So they claim they’re an operating system but can’t do the most fundamental thing an operating system needs to do.

          • rambaroo@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Well by that token Linux can’t claim to be an OS either, since as your own comment mentions it only performs one function of an OS. It’s important that it can talk to hardware but it’s not an OS if it can’t do anything else.

            • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              That’s debatable, Linux (the kernel) does much more than communicate with hardware - it manages memory allocations, handles processes etc. GNU is a set of tools. While some tools are needed for the OS to even make sense (without tools it just sits there and does nothing), you could write a simple program used as the init process and nothing else than the program and Linux is needed. Which leads me to believe that the kernel is the OS.

            • vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              ·
              1 year ago

              no. gnu does have a kernel. But it’s not linux. it’s called gnu hurd. It is actually about a year older than linux. It isn’t finished, and barely anyone uses it

                • vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  just, no. linux is simply not a gnu project. at all.

                  If it were, we wouldn’t be hearing about them wanting to call it gnu/linux because, in their own words, the os is “gnu with linux added”

                  they’d just want to call it gnu.

                  a very quick google search could have told you that

                  • NormalC@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    4
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    I don’t use “google search” because it is nonfree software; linux was not started by the GNU project members. However, GNU does have a linux, it’s called Linux-libre.

                    GNU is the operating system in its entirety. GNU/Linux is the name used to best describe the exact operating system by giving principal credit to the Linux foundation. The GNU part is to highlight the fact that it is a libre operating system first and foremost.

                    Perhaps I need to reread the essays again, but the main takeaway is that what’s at stake here isn’t credit but the political legacy of software freedom. Something that is made obvious by your last remark.