That’s a recent quote from Reddit’s VP of community, Laura Nestler. Here’s more of it: This week, Reddit has been telling protesting moderators that if they keep their communities private, the company will take action against them. Any actions could happen as soon as this afternoon.

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    2 years ago

    I completely understand Reddit wanting to be as profitable as possible, however it’s the approach to the users, developers, and blatant lack of care, respect and transparency that got my back up - suspect a lot of people may be the same. Communities always move and change, no platform is too big to fail.

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      All they had to do was allow Reddit premium users to access the site using third-party apps.

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        Yup. I was plenty happy to pay to keep using BaconReader. Give everyone a few months to set that up and I think things would’ve been fine. Instead, we get basically the most ham fisted way it could’ve gone.

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        Ohh interesting. Thinking about that, yah I would of signed up probably.

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      Not only this, but this has happened before. It was called Digg back in 2010.

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      I’m with you. I get needing to make money, but needing to go public and become just another cringe social media platform is just sad. RIP Reddit. Hello Lemmy.

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      I was waiting it out until I heard mods were being threatened. That’s the final call.

      I’m going to be replacing posts with links to my never used socials because who cares if I’m spamming at this point.

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      Sadly, I don’t think so. I think they looked at the number of new users and the number of users using 3rd party apps and decided they can lose those.

      Edit: apparently Reddit has between 500 million and 1.6 billion active users monthly. According to RiF developers, RiF and Apollo have a combined 3 million active users. If all of those 3rd party app users decide to never go back, Reddit might lose between 0.6% and 0.2% of their userbase. I think they’ll be fine…

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        That’s until you factor in that the majority of that 0.6% and 0.2% were the people running their site for free, disabled people, or both.

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        I don’t think the issue is that users will abandon, but that the site was only as usable as it was because of the mod tools that allowed the people who worked for free to moderate.

        Now spam, hate, and all other such garbage will be a lot more common. One subreddit I subscribed to only had a single active mod and the only reason the sub was functional was the mod tools that now no longer work.

        It may take some time, but people will leave when the subreddits are flooded with hate and spam.

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    I’ll never understand the people who are hell bent on trying to get reddit back. No matter what they won’t have a say in anything that happens, own anything, or even have a voice. I’m glad people are finally moving to an open source alternative.

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      Like others, I’m also here from Reddit Is Fun. I was a reddit user for over 16 years (with a 15 year old account). For over half of that time, RIF was my exclusive conduit to Reddit as the desktop site became increasingly unusable. Now that RIF is gone, I won’t be going back.

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      Invested time… And this place is pretty far behind a usable replacement in terms of content alone.

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        I was an early user of reddit, and it had a lot of the same problems this place had. There were no “smaller subreddits”, everything was small. But the quality of content was good, so I stuck around. It really takes a lot of effort to build a community, it doesn’t come for free. I hope you stick around and help 😀

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      Dude I have communities I still want to be a part of there. It’s not easy to just walk away. I have now but when the NFL season starts it’s going to be hard to not go back unless there is a good alt here.

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    Reddit can’t run without its moderators and it can’t monetize without data. I encourage everyone who’s defected to Lemmy from Reddit to wipe their old Reddit account using Redact. I just wiped my old account of 15 years worth of comments and post history.

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      I wiped my 10 year old account last night. Everything except my last post telling spez to fuck off and that he and his board have no soul or humanity.

      It was hard seeing it all go, but if life has taught me anything, it’s that all things are impermanent and we should always be prepared to let go.

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      As much as I would like to do this I have too many posts there have legitimately helped people who were struggling with things.

      I’ve had people respond to months old posts thanking me on several occasions for helping them. I can’t in good conscience remove thay just to spite reddit, and I do a lot of stuff out of spite.

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      Well, WSB is planning to short the stock as soon as the IPO opens. Technically that’s investing

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            Pretty sure that was also the catylst for the death of Reddit too. It became the new Facebook after everyone heard of it because of the news coverage

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            Pretty much, between COVID and GME, the sub 10x’d its users within a year and became a pool of the same handful of low tier memes that are cycled through every week.

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      Reddit is not public, so it’s just private investors at this point that funded series tranches. They, of course, are pushing to have Reddit get profitable and then IPO.

      I guess we will see what happens, but Spez may have totally messed-up their plans with the inept API pricing and the response to the concerns about it.

      It could have been totally averted if they just introduced a reasonable user fee and license that could be used in any third party app.

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        Spez could have even required 3pas to carry Reddit ads - a lot of us would have grumbled, but stayed.

        But Spez didn’t want that, did he? If I had to guess, I’d say Reddit’s official app is even more rigged with tracking than Tik Tok. That’s why it lags - it phones home every time you pause in your doom-scrolling, to log what stories you’re interested in.

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          That’s the most bizarre thing to me. Without knowing Reddit’s financials, it seemed like everyone could have their cake and eat it too. We could get a UX catered to how we choose to interact with Reddit and Reddit could make money hand over fist. We all knew the totally free experience wouldn’t last. Reddit very easily could have been like “ok guys, party’s over. We need to force ads on 3rd party apps”. We’d bitch about it, but it’d ultimately be fine. This scorched earth approach to how they handled it is just so out of left field.

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          You’re right. I highly recommend Duck Duck Go browser app on your phone. It has a beta feature that blocks all tracking requests from your apps, and you can go look at what apps are submitting the most requests. Someone took a lot at the official reddit app compared to 3rd party and it submits an absolutely absurd amount of tracking requests. Like multiple orders of magnitude more, and higher than any other social media app.

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        That’s what gets me. It would have been so easy to have a sliding scale based on the gross size of the company using the data.

        But nope, spez wanted all the golden eggs right now.

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    With so many of the power-users and mods abandoning ship, we’d better start a death pool for old.reddit.com, since it’s mostly power-users that stay with old Reddit. How long until it gets Spez’d so desktop users have to suffer enshittification with the mobile app users?

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    Reddit will die off in stages. Slowly.

    First the power users are leaving now. These are the mods and the major content creators (think Minecraft leaving)

    Eventually they will piss people off again and the more common content creators will leave.

    Then after reddit has worse and worse content, the users who just comment will leave.

    After that there will be nothing worthwhile for the lurkers and they will leave too.

    Reddit will then be a wasteland.

    This will all take quite a while. Even Digg took time to die off.

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      I think the growth of Lemmy over the last few weeks is a clear indicator that Reddit is in decline. I have deleted Apollo and my reddit bookmark and have only gone back when a Google search provided the information I needed. I won’t be going back and I think a lot of people are of the same mind.

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        As a person who really gets stuck in his ways and hates having to change things if I don’t have to, here I am on Lemmy. I’m ready to settle in.

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          Joining this was easier since I haven’t been on Reddit since the 12th

          Got past the habit stage. Now I’m onto alternatives

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          Do you think that number would change significantly if one were to discount bots from the calculation? I swear 3/4 of comments on some subs were bots, I’d like to think that it’d take a chunk off the actual reddit user base

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        Unfortunately for me, one of my favorite uses for reddit has been live game threads for various sports and that really only works with a larger user base. For instance, I follow the Seattle Mariners and I have found two different Lemmy instances for them. The one with the most subscribers (44) hasn’t had a game thread posted in 13 days despite the Mariners having played like 10 games in that stretch. The other one has 9 subscribers, although it looks like someone has set up a bot to automatically post a game thread and a post-game thread; however, every single one I looked at has 0 comments.

        I’m not gonna be able to pull the plug on reddit entirely until Lemmy gets a serious increase in users.

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          I miss a lot of my favourite smaller subreddits too. There’s way more now popping up then there was a few weeks ago so it is getting better. It’ll take time for communities to grow, we can’t expect it to be instantly like our fave subreddits were right off the bat. We have to remember that our niche subreddits started small as well at one point. Also consider doing some posting in those slow communities yourself to get the ball rolling. I’ve noticed it takes someone else commenting and providing content before other people feel brave enough to join in too. Kind of like no one wanting to be the first or only person on the dance floor. Once a couple people get in there and begin dancing others join too.

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          Hi! I’m an admin of fanaticus.social. I’d like to apologize for the game bots disappearance. It’s back now! I made pinned a post about it, which you can read here.

          We’re working hard to iron out the kinks in the game bots but I apologize for the inconvenience. I was on vacation last week and because of a bug, the choice was between keeping the fanaticus servers up or putting the bots to sleep.

          The live game threads were some of my favorite parts of Reddit too. I can’t do anything about the small user base but porting the game bots over to lemmy and posting content is the best way I could think of to start attracting users.

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      Yeah Digg didn’t die in a day. It takes time. I joined lemmy today, but I looked into it a few weeks ago first. It wasn’t worth the effort then, it is now. Having an Apollo-like app is a big help too.

      Every previous major exodus had the problem that it was the people everyone was better off without leaving. Maybe you hated Reddit in 2015 and were pissed at their decisions, but the alternative was a place dedicated to mocking fat people and saying slurs.

      Comparatively lemmy just kinda has a similar vibe to Reddit. Like I need to look for equivalents to some spaces I miss, but it’s not the people we said good riddance to

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        I’m in the same boat, I just joined today and I’m surprised but Lemmy already scratches the same itch that reddit did

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      I’m not sure if Reddit will “die off”. There seems to be a significant portion of users who don’t care about the API debacle or protests - they just want to scroll through memes.

      I would definitely like to see Reddit experience more pain, given how cunty they’ve been to users and moderators. But we live in a world where big companies act like shit and get away with it.

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          When I’ve checked the Reddit home page in the last few days (using an ad blocker of course, or sometimes an alternative Reddit front-end), it looks like stuff is still being posted.

          Hopefully Reddit will feel more pain that persuades it to change course at least a little bit. But I won’t believe that the pain is happening until I see it. Unfortunately it seems to me that there are some Reddit users who just want to watch the funny videos and don’t care about Reddit’s poor behaviour.

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      It’s been fascinating to watch the corporate web ecosystem that rose in the late 2000s slowly start to collapse.

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    Reddit CEO calls unpaid moderators’ concerns “noise”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOm_UKGyrZg

    This is abusing volunteers. If there are 140,000 active subreddits and if 10% of the moderators hang up their aprons, then Reddit has 14,000 unmoderated subreddits. They can close the subreddits, pay someone to moderate, try to pawn them off on a new sucker, or have bots run the subreddits. The question is, in the meantime, will the spammers abuse Reddit like their mods are being abused by Reddit? Let Reddit deal with these problems. If you’re a mod, why are you giving your time away for free to a company that doesn’t care about you?

    If you’re a mod, I get that you care about your subreddit, but why waste your talent on someone who thinks your concerns are just noise?

    The Minecraft Devs left Reddit:

    https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/minecraft-devs-leave-subreddit-due-to-controversial-reddit-changes/

    Leave Reddit? To quote Din Djarin, “This is the way.”

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    Moderators need to understand that Reddit doesn’t care if you’ve been in charge of your /sub for 10 years. They have, can and will tell you how to run it. There’s nothing for you to “negotiate.” As far as Reddit management is concerned, it’s “my way or the highway.”

    Part of ending a toxic relationship is figuring out that it’s time to let go.

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      Well, we former Reddit mods don’t need to understand anything in that regard. Fuck Reddit in its entirety. I’m not wasting time considering their point of view. I understand that they’re pieces of shit. I did negotiate - they doubled down and so I carried through and walked the fuck away, revoked my registered copyrighted material and took the first steps to litigation when they reposted it. They’ve taken it back down after the DMCA was filed, we’ll see if it goes back up.

      An ultimatum is a negotiation.

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    As soon as the threat was made all the mods should have quit. An unmoderated reddit would collapse in hours. It would have been glorious.

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      This is true. I suspect for many mods the power they have to push their ideas, ideals and beliefs and punish who they see fit more than makes up or the fact that they do it for free.

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    Honestly, fuck 'em.
    Reddit deserves to crash and burn in my opinion. Every social media platform eventually runs it’s course and then is supplanted by something else. No idea if Lemmy is the platform that eventually rises from the ashes of Reddit, but everything from the way Reddit was run from a corporate level, down to the users was toxic as hell. It needs to go away.

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      reddit was the same thing as twitter, just a woke censorship mob that deleted dissenting opinions or even insinuating a slightly different viewpoint.

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    Idk if it matters what happens to reddit. It would just be nice to have something better. Its hard to see though how reddit can progress anywhere now.

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    I love how their CEO believes - is absolutely convinced - that launching a crusade against his product’s users and mods to be a winning strategy.

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      I don’t think he knows what he’s doing… in his mind he’s running the last meter of the finish line to the IPO when all these “problems” are cropping up for “no reason” and he just wants to finish the race

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    “That’s why we’ve spent the past few weeks threatening and strong arming them. Now please, shut up and get back to work.”

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      Also: we’re still not going to pay you, but treat you worse. And if you quit, and the people after you keep quitting… we’re going to have to replace you with PAID moderators… and if you play your cards right and we forget who you are, you might be one of those paid mods, so uh… shut up and get back to work for free!