Weird racist posts from dank memes keeps showing up in my feed. Are we doing anything to prevent becoming Voat 2.0? We’re really concerned about Threads and that’s a big unknown. Weird racists already destroyed the last Reddit escape are we concerned about that? Like are we going to make a policy of defederating hate groups?

I’m pretty confident this community is using fake accounts since every post starts at ~20 and then gets down voted after it’s been forced into a bunch of people’s feed.

If not that’s fine I guess but does anyone have a suggestion for somewhere that will?

  • eee@lemm.ee
    622·
    2 years ago

    Of all the people that migrated from reddit to voat, quite a lot were from the banned subs like fatpeoplehate. That means the userbase is naturally more toxic.

    Of all the people that migrated to lemmy, there isn’t the same bias. I don’t think we need to worry that much.

    • Wollff@lemm.ee
      211·
      2 years ago

      And even if there is… I think the main benefit of this architecture is that it’s easy to split off and regulate instances with problematic content. You choose your instance. And with that you choose your admins.

    • TheGreatFox@lemm.ee
      13·
      2 years ago

      While there is a bias from those splitting off from reddit to lemmy, it’s a bias towards tech inclined people rather than toxic people. So yeah, unlikely to be an issue.

  • sunaurus@lemm.ee
    291·
    2 years ago

    Like are we going to make a policy of defederating hate groups?

    Hey! First of all, here is our federation policy. In short, it is not a goal for lemm.ee to curate content from other instances, simply because this would be a massive effort for very little benefit. There are tens of thousands of instances out there, and that number is constantly increasing. Meanwhile, problematic content from the vast majority of those instances very rarely reaches lemm.ee - even for a big instance which we have defederated already, burggit.moe, there were only a couple of problematic posts that I had to purge from lemm.ee at the time I defederated them.

    If I commited to policing other instances outside of lemm.ee, it would leave very little time for me to do much more beneficial things, such as working on Lemmy code. Not to mention, I’m not really interested in going out to these toxic instances and reading what they post there. So I am relying on our users - if a lot of reports about rule breaking on lemm.ee end up being caused by users of a single instance, then I would consider that a strong signal to defederate that instance. Similarly, if content that is against lemm.ee rules starts creeping in to our “all” feed from a specific instance, I would also consider that a strong reason to defederate an instance.

    Here on lemm.ee, we have simple rules. One of those rules is no bigotry. So far, all users reported for posting bigoted content on lemm.ee have been banned. Most of these users have been local lemm.ee users, with only a few exceptions. I have not noticed any trends with any one specific instance causing a lot of problems so far.

    Weird racist posts from dank memes keeps showing up in my feed.

    Can you please point out specific posts that have shown up in your feed? I personally am on lemm.ee a lot, and have not managed to catch anything like that in any of my feeds. I am asking users to please notify me of such things directly with concrete examples so I can take action.

    • Draces@lemm.eeOP
      3·
      2 years ago

      Sorry Jerboa seems to have a bug that made me think this was never posted. Look at dank memes@exploding-heads.com. I might be seeing it because it’s vote manipulation that only works when the user activity is low enough but I was regularly seeing posts from a user literally named ihatetroons.

    • cestvrai@lemm.ee
      3·
      2 years ago

      I chose this instance due to the noticeably better performance at the time which seems to ultimately boil down to you having your shit together running the server. However, I do also prefer this hands off approach to federation.

      For those who have so much trouble with content, I recommend moving to beehaw which I understand to be a safe space.

  • Venomnik0@lemmy.world
    232·
    2 years ago

    Yeah lets not do voat here. The last thing i want is to have a Sub community that’s “fighting the sjws” again by spouting hateful shit.

  • RocksForBrains@lemm.ee
    19·
    2 years ago

    I’ve blocked a lot of communities individually, however it seems this instance is still federated with the exploding-heads right wing hate machine.

  • Jakwithoutac@feddit.uk
    201·
    2 years ago

    Firstly, like everyone else is saying, petition your instance admin to defederate - any instance that allows that sort of content isn’t somewhere you want to be affiliated with.

    You can also block the user posting stuff - I’ve had to do this with the weird anti-trans spam on that dankmemes community. Depending on what you are using you may or may not be able to do this, but the default lemmy web client will let you.

  • Lols [they/them]@lemm.ee
    187·
    2 years ago

    id rather we dont, im specifically on lemm.ee because it keeps defederation to a minimum and there are plenty of instances that offer a more curated experience

    • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
      81·
      2 years ago

      Yeah I’m okay with defederation of threads, but for actual communities I’d rather decide on my own. Unless things get out of hand somewhere of course.

    • AeroSoap@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 years ago

      It seems relatively easy to block communities you don’t want to see. That should be good enough in most situations.

  • Crudman@lemm.ee
    111·
    2 years ago

    God I forgot Voat existed. I don’t see the alt-right absolutely dominating lemmy like it did Voat but stranger things have happened

  • Rooty@lemmy.world
    6·
    2 years ago

    Voat was a real-world lesson on the paradox of tolerance, and how hate speech rots communities. Instances that federate with hate mobs encourage their behaviour and give them the audiences they crave. While my account is not hosted on this instance I nonetheless implore the admins of lemm.ee not to let hatemongers prey on their users.

  • Zozano@aussie.zone
    116·
    2 years ago

    I wouldn’t worry about it too much, Lemmy is founded on communist ideology. For the alt-right, using CoMmUnIsT sOfTwArE is like a vampire trying to walk into a church.

    Lemmy.ml is likely to be on full-alert already, I can expect hate-speech will get ratio’d

  • dan@lemm.ee
    73·
    2 years ago

    I like the setup where each server administrator comes up with their own rules about what they want to see on they server, then people can join one with rules they like.

    But I also think there needs to be some server-level agreement/consortium/federation/etc that makes (or better, implements from decisions sourced from the community) wider decisions about what “Lemmy” as a whole will allow. That way server administrators are free to make decisions like whether they want to allow NSFW or not, but in order to stay federated with the rest of “Lemmy” they need to abide by some basic rules like “no hate groups” and “prevent spam”, and risk being defederated if they don’t.

    • Lols [they/them]@lemm.ee
      7·
      2 years ago

      this is already what federation is

      expecting activitypub spanning moderation is unrealistic and goes against the point of a federated internet entirely

    • Wollff@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 years ago

      I am not even sure that needs to happen to lemmy as a whole. Server level consortia can be made by the people hosting servers. As I understand it, the vision would be that there will be hate groups and spam on lemmy. But that everyone who doesn’t want it, will easily escape it by simply being on a “normal instance”, which is not associated with any of the finge content by anything but the name “lemmy”. Everyone who wants to move on the fringe can also do that, by joining an instance which includes all the bad things which normal instances defederate.

      My go to scenario for thinking about difficult situations, is the “reddit 2016 situation”, where you had the annoying trump sub, with the annoying trump people annoying the fuck out of everyone who was even remotely normal. And you couldn’t get rid of them, their spam, and their shit, because admins didn’t want to do anything (Free speech!), you couldn’t engage with them on their turf, because you would get instabanned (Free speech?), and everyone just had to tolerate them spamming the frontpage with their worthless shit. Because they were a community on reddit, had every right to be there, and nobody could do anything. That kind of problem will not appear here. There will be instances which allow the annoying Trumpers. There will be instances which defederate them. And how much split you want, will depend on the instance you use. There is no central “lemmy”, which contains hate speech, or does not. And that’s the difference to centralized solutions.

      • dan@lemm.ee
        41·
        2 years ago

        The reason I think there needs to be some kind of federation/consortium/whatever is because it’s a huge load on individual server admins to have to make determinations about which servers to federate with and which not to. That, plus maintaining their server, finding some way to pay for it, fighting spam/abuse/etc, is a lot or work. Ultimately, unless there’s some kind of formal process most servers are just going to end up copying what the big instances do, which centralises power a bit too much for me.

        • Wollff@lemm.ee
          3·
          2 years ago

          I think the situation of a server admin here, is not that different from the situation of a subreddit moderator, back on the other site.

          With the big difference that there is no central instance, which has a final say over things: On reddit the mods of big subs arguably do a lot of similar work. In exchange for having to host and pay for a server, the instance admins here get additional powers which make things easier to manage.

          And yes, of course a lot of servers will end up copying what big instances do. But they don’t have to. That’s the critical difference.

          While on good old reddit as a mod, you often just don’t have the power to do what you want to do: If you want to get rid of that annoying racist Trump community and its members? You are out of luck, because reddit admins like their traffic. And on the other hand, reddit mods will ultimately have no choice but do what the admins decree, without any recourse whatsoever. We are seeing that now: “You will not label your sub NSFW! If you do, we will boot you, and take over your community!”

          Instancing solves those two flaws quite well, because the option to do something else remains open.

    • killbot_gamma@midwest.social
      1·
      2 years ago

      Ithink what youre saying is somone should begin compiling a list of servers that aren’t terrible. I wonder if there could be a way to set up a list of “certified servers,” then set up your instace to automatically federate/defederate based on the lest. it would probably be too time consuming to do manually, but you could allow instance owners to register, then review and remove as necessary. it would give a central spot to report bad instances at least.