Elon Musk said verified accounts would be limited to reading 6,000 posts per day while unverified users will be limited to 600.

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    Never had Twitter to begin with but it was useful for seeing current events and comments. But ngl, kinda love watching it and musk go down in flames

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      It’s very useful for sports and breaking news. Can see a normal (unverified) user burning through those limits quick. Great user engagement!

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        I’ve traded sports and breaking news commentary in Twitter in for Reddit about 10 years ago.

        Not sure where to go now. Lemmy doesn’t have the volumes (yet at least) for the same amount of user engagement with these events. Perhaps it’s better like this anyway, no use being that engaged all the time.

        • PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works
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          I’m in a similar position when it comes to sports, football (soccer) in particular. The instances are still new, so I’ve been trying to engage in the comments and upvoting all the posts. It oddly reminds me of early Reddit when there were far fewer users and it felt more intimate, like you’d know everyone on the sports subreddit lol. I think instance on the Fediverse/Lemmy will continue to grow over time, just keep engaging :)

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        Also why things like emergency services really ought to be elsewhere… imagine people not getting the latest update because they ran out of tweets to view.

    • Nobody@lemmy.world
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      I started a Twitter account to follow the war in Ukraine at its very beginning. I was skeptical, but it won me over. Real time updates, easy to find expert takes, etc. Then Musk bought it, so I deleted my account the same day. No point sticking around on the titanic after the iceberg.

    • Morose mammal@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      I got twitter during the arab spring to keep up with what happened. I used it mainly for things like that ever since. But it got bad during Trump’s reign in America and worse even after Musk, so I used it mainly for porn lately and deleted my account yesterday together with my Reddit account. Not sure yet if this place will be a viable replacement, but willing to give it a chance and see what happens. Like you, hope to see both Musk and Spez go up in flames and live their lives out under some bridge (well, I am using a hyperbole here, they are (supposedly) human after all, so I hope they have a good life, regardless)

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    I didn’t read the article. But could it be that every platform is trying to limit LLMs to be trained on their data?

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        Seems like the free internet as we knew it is dead. Any site with free, user-generated content to monetize Is about to try and suck every last dime from it.

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          The internet as we knew it wasn’t free. We were the product. Here’s hoping their drive to force payment sends us on to decentralized, open source infrastructure.

        • Zak@lemmy.world
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          Fortunately, we have the user-owned distributed internet to move to.

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          Yep, capitalist greed ruins everything. Which is why distributed networks run by the community are our best hope for the future.

          Those fuckers would try to ruin this too, by bot attacks, by trying to cut deals with some of the admins or by running their own versions of Lemmy/Mastadon.

          We as a community will have to handle whatever comes next.

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          We now have the federated interne though, and I think it’s got a way brighter future.

        • Silviecat44@vlemmy.net
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          Honestly a paid internet is better. Just look at the Fediverse. Internet was never profitable. Now the data collection just needs to stop

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          They were always going to do that, the squeeze is basically required if you’re planning on making a public offering and become beholden to investors.

      • TheWorstNL@lemmy.world
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        Also they haven’t paid Google for using their Cloud so they are moving their data.

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      No you misunderstand they desperately want them to be trained with their data. They just want them to pay hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to do so. Twitter is not buckling under the weight of data scraping, Elon is just pissed that companies are data scraping instead paying his exorbitant API fees.

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        They just want them to pay hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to do so.

        This is the hilarious part to me: some companies might pay these fees, but there will be many more who won’t and will instead use actual web scrapers to get their data anyways. As the number of individuals training LLM models increases in the next couple of years, this will create a much more significant traffic load compared to API calls.

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          Yeah he doesn’t seem to understand he’s not selling the data, the data is public, he’s selling convenience. And if the convenience isn’t worth the price you’ve set, people will just take the extra effort and avoid the expense.

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        Exactly. I do selenium scripting as my main task for work, and as soon as I heard about how high the api rates were my first through was “Jesus, it might slower than straight api calls, and the dynamic xpaths might suck, but I could write a script that scrapes the website for cheaper.” Twitter is hurting for cash right now, and I imagine his effort to raise funds is the end goal here. He instituted the api policy, learned about another side effect, and continues to with the most extreme, devoid of nuance response each time.

        All “in my opinion,” of course.

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      Hmm. Sounds a lot like something /u/spez said. I wouldn’t expect Twitter to be a good LLM source with its current state anyway…Reddit would be a lot better contextually. The reality is Reddit and Twitter are bleeding cash and they’ve got brain-rotted CEOs that don’t pay their bills or have unrealistic plans and timelines for profitability.

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        Most of Twitter’s (and soon Reddit’s) data to be fed to LLMs will be porn sharing bots at this point.

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      Seems like a strange way to enforce it, at the user level vs the api client level, unless they’re trying to guard against screen scraper types.

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    Don’t forget: new unverified accounts are capped at just 300 posts. Once someone hits the limit, there’s also no way for them to see Elon’s announcement of the change. Great design.

    Sadly, I’m sure spez is taking notes.

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      Who the FUCK is spez? Sounds like the name of some mentally deranged, wholly incompetent groomer. The only name I can think of that’s stupider is, idk, something like “Steve Huffman.”

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      I saw a screenshot of some Musk tweets stating that he’s already raising the limits to slightly larger numbers. I’m not sharing that info in his or twitters defense, I don’t use twitter. Just thought it was interesting that he’s raising the limits so quickly, probably quicker than desired due to the immediate public outlash!

      I wonder if they already fixed twitter ddos attacking itself from earlier today.

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        Rumor is that Twitter didn’t want to renew its Google Storage contract, but the migration to the new system is taking longer than expected. Now that it’s July 1, everything’s going to shit.

        Again, that’s the rumor.

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          Hugely believable. The place is running on skeleton crew who have to waste time catering to Musk’s ego whims.

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        I also read that when you hit the limit on desktop, the webpage sends 10 requests every few seconds. It looks like the Frontensegeln doesn‘t have the functionality to deal with the limit.

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      I can’t even think of a financial or business reason for him to do this that makes sense, he must just want to run Twitter into the ground

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        Elon claims bots are grossly scraping the platform with logged in accounts. Sure, this harsh limit might reduce scraping, but legitimate users are being blocked

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        Same reason as Huffmann killing 3rd party apps: these sad little boys are mad that AÍ startups are training models on user-generated content.

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        I think he’s pretty willing for it to be his personal toy until it breaks down completely. It’s not like he needs to worry about being personally accountable, he can afford it.

        I suspect when it does finally die though, he will miss the hourly hit of virtual cocksucking he gets from his fans. ChatGPT just doesn’t hit the same.

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    Reddit was quite abrupt and efficient triggering a migration towards decentralized alternatives (ie: Lemmy). Twitter was taking way too much time to push users to the fediverse (Mastodon, Pleroma, etc.). Elon doesn’t like to be the second, so he’s rushing the enshitification of the platform to stay ahead of Reddit.

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      Honestly fucking spez and musk helped social media out a lot

      Not their social media platforms, or course, but they helped migrate more people to the fediverse

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        Yeah haha, I moved to Lemmy couple of days ago, then saw that Twitter rate limit thing and was like alrighty, Mastodon too, lets go

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        can confirm, my reddit account is only used to lurk in the ukraine sub, and until I have manually copied over my 2-3 relevant posts to the lemmy world. Then I might just use a data scraper…

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    There are a lot of theories floating around about his Google cloud bill being due today and not having migrated stuff off of the platform.

    So they may have gotten shut down.

    There is also evidence that they pushed an update that’s basically ddos-ING themselves.

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      Based on my experience (nearing 30 years of system administration), one thing led to the others. They lost the capacity to handle lots of simultaneous requests when Google cut them off, so they pushed the change to rate limit at API level, but since they don’t seem to have QA or testing anymore, this led to the front-end hitting the limit, but the front-end didn’t have an error handler for this situation, so it just kept trying.

      Tl;Dr, Twitter 2.0 is a shit show.

      It’s actually bellow amateur hour. The best metaphor I can make for how things are working there right now is a bi-polar Chihuahua on crack having an epileptic seizures.

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    Twitter is surviving because of its addicts. Now, it’s likely to drop its userbase significantly. Plus, Musk restricting people who aren’t logged in from seeing anything makes the website practically irrelevant, and if this is sustained, Twitter will die in a span of months, if not weeks.

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      That no public viewing is going to really hit them. When I see that page requesting a login, I nope right out of there. Pinterest is that way too.

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      Although the claim is that this is being done because of data scrapers, my guess is the thought process is that people who only have access to 600/day will be jonesing for more Twitter and will pay to have that verified check mark so they can get 6000/day, or that people will suddenly sign up for an account if they can’t view a tweet they’ve been sent a link to. I don’t first either of those things happening though.

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    For those who are unaware, in summary, the reason why Twitter is limiting access is not for profit, but because the app is making too many requests at once, effectively causing Twitter to DDoS itself.

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    Elon is jelly coz users now coming to mastodon and Lemmy. Lemmy might replace his centralized platform

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    That’s really a shame, since it was a good platform to keep up to date on certain news events.

    Now that it requires login to see, that kills 99% of the stuff I’ll be since I can’t be assed to log in.

    Also sucks for any scrapers, walled gardens hurt us all, limited access to knowledge hurts everyone.

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        I came across this problem with official evacuation alerts when a forest fire starting within city limits yesterday. No login? Gotta wait for the cops to come around I guess!

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    I don’t know… I’d like to leave Twitter, but then how will I see the next hilarious joke about feces or genitalia that Elon Musk comes up with?

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      You’ve gotta be infected with the woke mind virus to not find Elon funny. I mean, “69420”. It’s the sex number AND the weed number COMBINED. Or how about the time he said “I’m rich bitch” on stage with Dave Chapelle? His comedy game is strong.

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    You know what the best way to keep your users on your site and engaged to rack up ad revenue? Rate limiting them. /s