I’m not saying other people shouldn’t have a voice on this topic, but that discussion is a topic that is based in transphobia. If a woman feels uncomfortable sharing the bathroom with a trans woman, it’s because she has a predisposition to fear and feel unsafe around trans women.
Contrast it with the past, where men used to feel uncomfortable with women in typically male dominated spaces. I remember seeing an old news video where a female reporter was sitting in a bar typically frequented by men. She asked them how that made them feel and all the men she asked made a point to mention they felt uncomfortable with her in the bar with them and they would rather her leave than share the bar with her.
This is the same argument you’re presenting. It would seem ludicrous now as we’ve moved past that point (for the most part, it’s not a 100% solved issue sadly), but at the time it was seen as a legitimate argument, as sexism was still rampant at the time and it was the norm for women to be excluded from male spaces.
There is nuance to your presented argument in that the space that’s in question is a restroom, which is a more private and intimate space, but the nature of the argument is still based in transphobia and I think should be presented as such. It’s the root of the issue and the aspect that needs to be addressed before any headway can be made on the topic
I’m not saying other people shouldn’t have a voice on this topic, but that discussion is a topic that is based in transphobia.
im getting tired of responding to multiple 700 page long comments from multiple people so with you im just stopping here and addressing this. By saying that cis women’s opinions and arguments on this are based in transphobia is your point of view and not theirs, they don’t view their argument as transphobic, and frankly neither do I, I just view them as having a different opinion and argument. Therefore, the first part of your sentence is directly conflicted, you ARE saying they shouldn’t have a voice on this topic, because any voice OTHER THAN YOU VOICE is ✨transphobic✨. It’s like calling someone a nazi or something. It’s an overused term. I yawn.
Fine, is not wanting a black person in the same restroom as a white person not an argument based in racism? I avoided this topic since I assumed you’d call it a tired argument, but if you want a more direct comparison this would be more apt.
And I did acknowledge that it’s a much more nuanced topic when you direct it to restrooms, but the core of the argument is the same imo. You just didn’t read that far in the comment lol
I’m not saying other people shouldn’t have a voice on this topic, but that discussion is a topic that is based in transphobia. If a woman feels uncomfortable sharing the bathroom with a trans woman, it’s because she has a predisposition to fear and feel unsafe around trans women.
Contrast it with the past, where men used to feel uncomfortable with women in typically male dominated spaces. I remember seeing an old news video where a female reporter was sitting in a bar typically frequented by men. She asked them how that made them feel and all the men she asked made a point to mention they felt uncomfortable with her in the bar with them and they would rather her leave than share the bar with her.
This is the same argument you’re presenting. It would seem ludicrous now as we’ve moved past that point (for the most part, it’s not a 100% solved issue sadly), but at the time it was seen as a legitimate argument, as sexism was still rampant at the time and it was the norm for women to be excluded from male spaces.
There is nuance to your presented argument in that the space that’s in question is a restroom, which is a more private and intimate space, but the nature of the argument is still based in transphobia and I think should be presented as such. It’s the root of the issue and the aspect that needs to be addressed before any headway can be made on the topic
im getting tired of responding to multiple 700 page long comments from multiple people so with you im just stopping here and addressing this. By saying that cis women’s opinions and arguments on this are based in transphobia is your point of view and not theirs, they don’t view their argument as transphobic, and frankly neither do I, I just view them as having a different opinion and argument. Therefore, the first part of your sentence is directly conflicted, you ARE saying they shouldn’t have a voice on this topic, because any voice OTHER THAN YOU VOICE is ✨transphobic✨. It’s like calling someone a nazi or something. It’s an overused term. I yawn.
Would you say men not feeling comfortable with women in the workplace or a bar is an argument not based in sexism?
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Fine, is not wanting a black person in the same restroom as a white person not an argument based in racism? I avoided this topic since I assumed you’d call it a tired argument, but if you want a more direct comparison this would be more apt.
And I did acknowledge that it’s a much more nuanced topic when you direct it to restrooms, but the core of the argument is the same imo. You just didn’t read that far in the comment lol
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