how anyone who is trans or gay could ever be republican just boggles the mind. i think its a display of immense stupidity.
Even Nazi Germany had “good Jews” who would cooperate with the Nazis. Some of the top ranking Nazis each had their own “good jew” that they were sympathetic towards including Hitler himself. They thought their status as “one of the good ones” would save them. Other party members, especially the SS, would hold them accountable and even the “good ones” got “taken care of” sooner or later.
How anyone of any sexual orientation could think that these Democrats are able to keep these Republicans out of power boggles the mind. How many times do you have to get burnt before you know the stove is hot, or that these Democrats are fucking worthless and will fail as the case may be? More than three apparently. But no, Force Gavin Newsome on us next time around why the fuck not? Those ivy league suits on TV must know what they’re talking about right? Right?
Don’t you know, the fact that Kamala lost while running on Trump’s 2020 platform means the dems need to move further to the right. For every anti-genocide vote you lose in the cities, you’ll pick up two nazis in the suburbs.
That’s why we need a unity ticket of Newsome/Jeb!
yes.
Look I know the party I voted for wants to get rid of me and everybody like me, but there’s somebody else I hate and that’s what’s important!
Are the teeth and fangs not enough of a warning?
She’s a professional victim, it’s nothing but a grift. Also lol she looks nothing like those photos she posted. That’s like a completely different person.
“Ok, yeah, he’s obviously raped kids. And he was best friends with known child rapist Epstein for decades. Oh, and he’s convicted of raping women. And he’s obviously a racist. And he’s obviously a Russian asset. And he’s obviously a traitor…and he hates my kind of people, but, BUT, we agree on this one specific thing so he gets my vote!
…
Oh shit, he’s coming for me now. Who could’ve foreseen this!!!?!!”I’ve gone from being super far rightwing to now being super far leftwing over the course of my life; yet somehow, “Brianna Wu is a fucking idiot” has remained constant.
Trump killed the FBI investigation into the people sending her death threats the first time he got elected.
How could she ever vote for him after that, the leopard already took a bite out of her face.
“Brianna Wu is a fucking idiot”
Ahh, I remember when saying anything less than utterly complimentary about Wu was considered transphobic and misogynistic.
She got an awful lot of free passes and clout from “these people are mad at me, and they are mostly right wing” about a decade ago.
And holy fuck was her game terrible. Like bad enough that when I got to try it at PAX East it stood out how awful it was, to the point that when she popped up in other contexts my immediate reaction to the name was “the dev behind that terrible mobile game from PAX”. You always expect some indie stuff to not land with you, but usually that sort of thing is at worst forgettable. But this one was so bad it circled all the way back around to memorable, but in the bad way.
Can you share exactly what led to the change in perspective?
Edit: accidentally typed out my life story. See other reply for TL;DR
Unfortunately I can give no useful insights (except: empathy, understanding, and the desire for both). I was raised Christian and reasoned my way to paganism thinking there didn’t need to be a god for miracles to exist; then to atheism when I tried to prove magic and ghosts existed as an explanation; eventually debunking and abandoning the belief in the very concept of supernatural miracles. Similarly with my political views: it seemed more to be an inevitable journey, where I started in one place and, without my core beliefs changing, drifted to another which was more aligned.
As a teen I was big into Alex Jones and conspiracy theories to the point of losing friends before it was cool (pre-maga). Unfortunately for him, I took his advice and “did my own researcher”; becoming more disillusioned with his bullshit the more I learned. For one example, there was a great analysis paper on the sorts of energies and temperatures involved in 9-11, whose models perfectly matched the real world structural damage: no thermite or lasers needed. I bought into the h1n1 vax hoax from Ventura after I had the shot and thought I’d be crippled when then turned on the signal or whatever… But I wasn’t. Same with the Fukushima disaster Alex fearmongered about; turns out we’re not in a radioactive apocalypse. Retrospectively: he had a terrible track record for predictions.
I was a diehard freedom absolutist: yell fire in crowded theatres, everyone should open-carry everywhere. I wasn’t even American but I bought into the mythos, especially as promoted by the right. However I was a fan of star trek as a kid… And I hated the very concept of monetary systems. I wanted people to live free of control, and have the best lives possible. Still do. I also never cared for the social conservatism: i was bi* and was cool with LGBT; “the government has no place in a bedroom between consenting adults”. Also no racial prejudice: all deserved freedom (humans were foreign enough to the probably-autistic me; no need for further outgroups…) A severely existential and somber perspective has always been the basis for my worldview (I was a pretty fucked up kid).
That none of that has changed… But one thing did.
Beau of the Fifth Column yt channel, now Belle of the Ranch, was where I first heard this after my change towards the left: they said they believed in “the most amount of freedom for the most people”… I had believed “the right for me to swing my fist ends at your nose”, until I realized that threatening to hit someone can have just as much a real consequence for them as actually doing it. Race doesn’t exist biologically, certainly in no form that people would recognize colloquially: but people were racialized; racism self-manifested through systemic failures and active oppression. I could no longer pretend that race didn’t exist: it absolutely did, but we made it. Trying to be blind to it would cause more harm than using it as a shortcut tool for informing various socially-caused inequalities. Understanding that taught me, vividly, the concept of a real and impactful “social construct”; a concept which I had great disdain for: “facts don’t care about your feelings”…
However, if I had to point to something, there was one catalyst… My whole life, I’ve tried to understand people. Empathy, emotions, and even ‘the self’ did not come naturally to me. I learned with great effort and (luckily, through birth) the resources to permit such efforts. The one thing that really pushed that forward was falling in love. He leaned left, but hated SJW / tumblrite stupidity leading up to the height of gamergate. We had many overlaps, and I grew exponentially in the decade since meeting him and exploring these feelings. As creator ShoeOnHead would say about Sargon of Akkad (para): “I hated SJWs because they were terrible optics; you hated them because you thought they were causing the fall of western civilization”… Turns out we were both the former as well. The divide between the alt-right, their rhetoric and growing popularity, and the things conservatives claimed to care about became more evident, and my growing awareness and knowledge of social issues was pushing me much further to the left.
Just like when I was 8 years old, I still think money is pretty fucking stupid, and people should be able to live comfortable and free. What changed is that I think some “freedoms” are actually just tragedy-of-the-commons oppression (e.g. “freedom” to discriminate based on race) and must be restricted, and not everyone needs to be packing heat to live free (not needing to is more free… an armed society is not a polite society; polite people don’t need the threat of violence, much like good people don’t need the threat of hell)
I remember having sentiments like yours as a young kid, too. It was ironically because of my religious upbringing. I thought money was a stupid concept and that people should share because Jesus said we need to take care of each other. I also hated racism because it was mean and Jesus said to love your neighbor. I left the faith at 13 and consider myself an agnostic now. Still think Jesus had some good ideas, though.
TL;DR I was predisposed to skeptical and critical thinking, learned other people had emotions, actually believed in the right’s fake freedom rhetoric, and fell in love with a cute lefty boy (unrequited but good friends)
Also MAGA really exposed the ugliness
unrequited but good friends
me too, buddy
Truth is truth.
Claims: “Love the country”
Also: votes for a traitor
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Claims: I am a fascist.
Also: Votes for fascist.
I am in no way suggesting LGBTQ people aren’t smart- but this one isn’t.
I got you, I can say it cause I’m trans - Brianna and Blaire White are stupid and I pity them so much
There are lots of dumb people and people making emotional decisions that fly in the face of reality. Yes, that probably includes a normal proportion of lgbtq people despite there being massive red flags that magats will never accept you
I feel like 80% of adult Americans don’t even know what critical thinking IS.
I second this
People thinking they are famous on social media is one of the largest downfalls of society. Openly voting for a traitor and a pedophile so you can blend in with the other MAGA’s isn’t the flex you think it is.
It never works out trying to be one of the good ones.
Hey, they should avoid the first round of deportations and be nicely included in the second.
Oof, but yes.
‘I only wanted innocent Iranians to be killed!’
Liberals acting shocked every time the fascists turn on them, instead of just helping them kill middle eastern people.
I’m out of the loop. What do liberals have to do with this?
Wu is a liberal trans rights activist, who has been a consistent cheerleader for fascism and genocide, and she’s upset she ended up in the crosshairs of fascists.
I think were going to have to go back to the drawing room on what liberal and conservative is because none of what she said here sounds liberal to me.
No, sounds like you just need to read theory, and stop accepting definitions fed to you by the news.
A ‘liberal’ that would conditionally accept MAGA is not a liberal in my eyes
I don’t think you know what that word means.
If you love your country, why did you vote for Trump?
Well remember yesterday when Trump said smart people don’t like him?
It’s always fun to see how close he sometimes gets to an epiphany. But it’s always from the wrong direction as it were.
Indeed. And they have every reason to.
In this timeline that was ages ago
Good to remember/ reiterate for the duped
“only country without POCs, women with rights, and immigrants”- says the 3 trump voter.
“Its a small world afterall” - if you never cared to look across your counties border…
If you “love your country”, then you’re most likely fash. Thus trump.
Absolutely nothing surprising there.
American patriotism has always been problematic enough to be at risk of developing into fascism.
Why would pledging allegiance to any one nation state be more important than treating people with dignity?
Its small minded thinking and Americans have been drinking this Kool Aid for generations.
Democrats seem so feckless because they’re constantly on their backfoot trying to prove they love their country too.
Who can love their nation more than a fascist? Someone who’s willing to turn their nation into a killing machine that massacres perceived outgroups?
Of course, love for your nation doesn’t have to mean that but America has been embracing that worldview of patriotism at an accelerated pace since 9/11. So here we are.
You know its bad when even the morally slightly better party is tripping over itself to bankroll genocide.
Maybe being on Twitter is a huge component of the problem…
Is it the disease or just a symptom tho?
Absolutely both.
Everything feeds into twitter (and influencers will always glom onto something), but American political psychology wouldn’t be so messed up if meteors had hit Twitter’s datacenters a decade ago. It’s peak ‘attention is all that matters’ and ‘polarization feed’ by design.
Jesus Christ, Wu played MAGA apologist? Given her history? She’s always been a shit person, I just figured she at the very least wouldn’t join the crowd tied at the hip to her arch-nemesis GamerGate edgelords.
I guess it really doesn’t matter what flavor of bad you are, in the end they all gravitate toward MAGA.
The entire GamerGate/anti-GamerGate fiasco was a psyop designed to divide people and drain them of money and direct influence that was being run by bad actors and useful idiots. I had forgotten her name until now, but I guess Wu was the Useful Idiot type.
im glad I was in basic training for start of the gamergate bullshit and missed it
GamerGate was also weaponized to be used as tool to popularize far right ideology by Steve Bannon. The rise in groups like Proud Boys, Groypers and the Manosphere can all be traced back to the GamerGate movement.
Yeah, I know. And while the GamerGate side was the far, far worse one, the anti GamerGate was also employing bad faith arguments and grifting their followers. Or in Wu’s case, just plain dumb. Both sides where easy targets for each other’s followers, which is how they wanted it. Who actually used that Call in a Gamer Girl service?
“My enemy’s enemy is my friend”
When your enemy is human decency, you acquire a lot of piece of shit friends.
sometimes my enemy’s enemy is just another enemy pointed the right direction for once
Now if we could only get them all to gather in one single place.
Like the USA 😀😅
For what purpose? I don’t like 'em, either, but doing to them what they do to everybody else would make us no better.
To vote? Let’s send them all to Florida. That place is already entirely dysfunctional so that them vote for their mess and wallow in it, while limiting their affect on the rest of the country
I would support building that wall and I bet we could get Mexico …… to help out by sending formerly mistreated construction crews
The only good fascist is a dead one. My grandparents understood that and so do I.
Thats such a bad argument. They do it to people for things that dont harm anyone and are out of their control. We would do it to them for the things they want to do to innocent people. Things that harm people and that are in their control.
So yes, we would be much better than them.
That depends upon what you want to do, which is why I asked. If you do the same things in return, then you’re also “in control.”
Don’t worry.
We won’t keep them as slaves. We won’t rape them or force them to carry and birth our babies. We won’t herd them into ghettos and slowly starve and hunt them to extinction. We won’t infect them with easily preventable diseases. We won’t lock them in cages and waterboard them. We won’t bully them until they kill themselves. We won’t drag them behind a truck until they’re ripped to pieces.
Unlike them, we will try to limit their suffering and make things go as quickly and painless as possible. Completely different things than what they want.
Want some ketchup with that boot?
Whataboutism is so cowardly.
Inaccurately hiding behind “whataboutism” is such pathetic avoidance.
Don’t type mad, magaboy.
Don’t. Lemmy is a place full of terminally online people. You won’t change anyone on here, trust me, so you will have to suffer moronic people calling for literal concentration camps like the Nazis had. Because if you call them out on fashist thoughts and ideas they will pretend that its you who is the problem. 0 education, a lot of opinion and thinking they are worth more than other people.
In truth they are just enraged about how helpless they feel so they like to fantasize about having the power. Pretty sad to see what they would do with it.
Feel free to logout.
Thanks for the support. On the plus side, this has actually turned into a rather productive exercise in outing quite the number of assholes to block. 🤷
Wow. I didn’t know there were people who underestimated the harm Trump would do to trans people because their single issue was Israel on both sides!
