Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go “Lemmy is getting worse and worse,” or “I’m leaving Lemmy,” or worse, “I’m leaving for Beehaw.”

If you’re using Beehaw, then you’re using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don’t like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don’t get our terminology right.

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        my signup because this all probably is going to China.

        China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.

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        Leninist. Marxist Leninist is largely an oxymoron as Lenin just sort of ignored a lot of core things Marx discussed. Specifically going against many of them. There are many different Marxism derived ideologies that aren’t ML and don’t sympathize or apologize for the atrocities of ML or capitalist regimes. Please don’t lump them all together.

        As far as Leninist go. I agree with you 💯% though.

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            When it comes to physics Einstein has yet to be proven wrong for just about anything. When it came to politics and human nature. Einstein was not known to be any great judge. And even then. That’s feinting praise. Einstein knew how to throw shade.

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              Ok, firstly you are not smarter than Einstein.

              Secondly. What are you on about? He said this in 1929. Lenin had been dead for 5 years already when he said this. Stalin was leader of the USSR and everything about Lenin and the revolutionary years was perfectly well known. Pretending that Einstein was simply unaware of the events that he actually lived through at the time is ridiculous.

              Seeing as he died in 55

              That’s 31 years after Lenin. Having lived through Weimer Germany as a jewish man, watching and applauding the success of the soviet revolution, seeing the failure of the german revolution after the murder of rosa luxembourg, fleeing to the US, and watching the USSR liberate nazi Germany auschwitz and all the camps of the holocaust that he narrowly avoided being part of himself.

              He commented on the US in his later life actually, in December 1947 he stated:

              “I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my life.”

              The FBI had a 250 page file on einstein, you can view it here: https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert Einstein

              On page 14 the report says:

              “Not even Stalin himself is affiliated with so many anarcho-communist international groups to promote this “preliminary condition” of world revolution and ultimate anarchy, as Albert Einstein.”

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          You literally just made that up. I’m pretty sure they said at some point that they chose this simply cause its free.

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            I was wrong, and it was a guess using context clues from the post I was replying too.

            I didn’t “make it up”, I was just incorrect.

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              I just get kinda pissed off at comments like that because I’ve been using lemmy for like 3 years now and they’ve never done something wrong but now there are some people that just say stuff about them that’s not even true. Your comment wasn’t the first like that after all.

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        In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism

        Based

        There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

        Typical liberalism red scare fearmongering, lemmy has no ties to China.

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          In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities

          FTFY

          It’s funny which part of the quote you decided to omit. Tankies gonna tank, eh?

          For those who haven’t checked - in the linked page dessalines(Lemmy lead dev) recommends books and articles by, among others, Lenin, Stalin & Castro.

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            I haven’t read those works they mentioned so I can’t say if they defend the atrocities of those regimes (they very well might), but I wouldn’t say suggesting a book about those political ideologies implies you believe the atrocities committed by those regimes were acceptable.

            But I’m also totally ready for someone to tell me they do in fact minimize the bad things. As someone born in the American south who was raised with echos of Lost Cause propaganda I’m familiar with folks twisting a horrible truth.

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            Stalin went too far, sure. We know.

            Fidel did nothing wrong. Lenin did what he had to do for the sake of revolution.

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      OP is annoyed because lemmy.ml devs are left-leaning and don’t encourage bombing muslim countries, killing gays or locking black people in areas abandoned by the government.

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      Well, how do you feel about the Chinese government and the North Korean one? Good? Hopeful they expand? They do.

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      They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin’s contents, but not sharing back.

      Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.

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        Oh they’re absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn’t matter. We’ll see.

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          Nobody knows for sure, but my guess is they blocked any request with “Bot” in the header, and blocked the “KbinBot” by accident.

          Just a guess though.