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Blaze (he/him)@feddit.org to Fediverse@lemmy.worldEnglish ·
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Alright guys, who shut down their farmbot yesterday? Loss of 70k users (5%), graph might be misleading

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Alright guys, who shut down their farmbot yesterday? Loss of 70k users (5%), graph might be misleading

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Blaze (he/him)@feddit.org to Fediverse@lemmy.worldEnglish ·
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  • Dave@lemmy.nz
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    That graph is so misleading. Makes it look like almost all the users disappeared but the Y axis only covers a small range at the top.

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      The full range is about 5.5%. So while it is misleading, a 5% drop in a graph that consistent isn’t nothing. Something substantial absolutly changed

      • Ademir@lemmy.eco.br
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        Maybe whole Instance that went offline.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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          That’s my guess to

      • beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Cool then it should be 5.5% of the visual space for it to not be misleading. But it’s represented much larger. And OP is (edit to sound less mean) not updating the post sooo…

        I call shade

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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      It’s like 70k users.

      • Dave@lemmy.nz
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        Exactly. Not the over a million that it looks like at a glance.

        The user count isn’t helpful anyway, active users is a much better measure.

        • Ademir@lemmy.eco.br
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          true that

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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      I captured the graph with the number after the decrease at the bottom right to try to show the number of lost users, but I see where you come from

      • beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        If you saw why people would criticise it then you’d… edit the post, recapture the graph with an accurate visual representation including the zero on the Y axis?

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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          Well…

          • that’s how the website displayed the graph when I took that screenshot, I’m pretty sure you can’t modify the axis
          • I’m not on my computer at the moment, editing is the most I can do right now
          • if you can capture the graph with 0 on the Y axis, please post it below and I’ll update the picture
        • SlothMama@lemmy.world
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          It’s the only way to demonstrate the fall, of you did it at scale it would’ve even be noticeable.

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            deleted by creator

            • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
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              There are people here who didn’t even notice the axis and are confused. How do you expect everyone to notice a 5% drop lol.

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                • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
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                  My point is that it is hardly visible and doesn’t show the exact numbers properly. I prefer the current style of graph for showing sudden changes if the previous data points isn’t that important in the context. But everyone has their preference I suppose.

        • GBU_28@lemm.ee
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          Or just inform the other adults to consult the axis for clarification.

    • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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      Lies, damned lies and statistics.

    • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
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      no it’s not?

      you can see the axes and op even mentions that it’s a 5% drop

      the graph is clearly just fitted to the data

      • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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        I edited the title after their comment, it wasn’t that clear at the beginning

      • ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml
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        the graph is clearly just fitted to the data

        That’s the problem. It’s heavily skewed when compared to the greater overall engagement statistics.

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        In my classes on analytics, we were taught to prefer using normalised axes starting at 0 to more accurately put changes into perspective.

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    deleted by creator

    • mesamunefire@lemmy.world
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      Either that or blocked the crawler on their Instance.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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        I have a feeling it was caused by something like that, likely a failure of some kind. The drop is way too steep and abruptly for it to be natural.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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      An active instance would have an impact on active users

      • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Not immediately though right? since the active users are a month or half-year. Or does it automatically update that too?

        Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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          Active users are daily too (you have day, week and month counters in the sidebar of all communities)

          • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I was talking about on the fediverse observer. It wouldn’t show up immediately there.

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            • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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              The Fediobserver has daily and monthly stats for active users. I assume daily indeed follow daily variations. You also saw those huge bumps when LW updated and started counting votes as activity

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                I think the observer shows daily and monthly stats for the active users per month and active users per half year so the active users per month wouldn’t change as fast I think.

                Also about it being a botfarm I do think that is a possibility. Actually there is more evidence for it when you see extend the graph to 120 days and see a huge uptick in users and servers at the same time. Edit: 2024-7-29

                Edit: wording

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                • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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                  I think the observer shows daily and monthly stats for the active users per month and active users per half year so the active users per month wouldn’t change as fast I think.

                  Indeed, I was remembering it wrong, you might be right!

                  Also about it being a botfarm I do think that is a possibility. Actually there is much clearer evidence for it when you see extend the graph to 120 days and see a huge uptick in users and servers at the same time. Edit: 2024-7-29

                  Definitely

        • mesamunefire@lemmy.world
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          The source code is open source so I believe someone can tell us if need be.

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    Did an instance go down?

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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      Maybe it’s a problem with the crawler.

    • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Probably but which instance has over 70,000 users?

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        not sure when entire fedi-reddit is like 50k AMU lol

  • poke@sh.itjust.works
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    Which one of you forgot to open the app so we all ceased to exist to save on simulation resources?

    • 11111one11111@lemmy.world
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      Go on… lol

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    At least user a log scale. But start at 0

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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      Feel free to suggest this to the Fediverse Observer team

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        Ah, I didn’t know.

        The monthly graph is pretty interesting in the same way, -400k?

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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          Lots of farmbots going down looking at the servers graph

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            Interestingly the amount of active users status pretty solid at 200k indeed

  • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.uk
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    Interestingly there seems to have been an uptick in comments.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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      Indeed, the plot thickens.

      Maybe the farm bot owner decided to make all comments by a single bot now.

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        Curiouser and curiouser.

        Probably some mundane explanation but still…

  • Ademir@lemmy.eco.br
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    LOL

  • itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml
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    Was the metric measured before the day the was over which would limit the timeframe of the final day and show fewer users?
    I dont see this chart when I click the link

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      It should be there, it’s the second graph

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