The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut

Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

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    When both sides of a conflict make the claim that the same piece of dirt is sacred to their religion, it’s unlikely for cooler heads to get a word in edgeways.

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      Well, there’s also the fact that after WWII, while the Allies were dividing the world up like a giant birthday cake, they created most of these problems: North Korea, Iraq-Kuwait, and plunking a new Jewish country down in the middle of Arabia.

      If the Allies had decided that Ohio is a new Jewish country, what would’ve been the fallout from that?

      As much as we seem a step removed from this issue, we made the problem.

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        New Jewish country? It was a Jewish nation first and Jews have lived there FAR longer than Arabs.

        This is more like if the US lost WWII and the axis decided to give the Native Americans back their territories.

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          Even according to the Bible/Torah it wasn’t a Jewish Nation first, it was a “Promised Land” which they conquered.

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            Also, the concept of a “nation” didn’t exist until the late 1700s. There were Jewish tribes in the Levant region, along with a ton of other tribes, many of which were just loose clans of family groups.

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            It gets really into the weeds.

            As an ethnic group, Arabs trace back to Abraham through his first son Ishmael from his concubine Hagar.

            Jews trace back to Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob, who was renamed Israel.

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              Ethnic groups don’t trace back to single people, especially not ones from fairy tales.

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                According to the Abrahamic tradition, Arabs are descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael.[73] Islamic sources state that Abraham brought Hagar and Ishmael to Mecca.[74] The 14th century Arab historian Ibn Kathir mention that the pre-Islamic Arabs considered Ishmael as their patriarch.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

                Tracing their lineage to Abraham and Ishmael is literally the common element that ties them together as an ethnic group.

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                  According to the Abrahamic tradition

                  Like I said, fairy tales. According to tradition women were also made from a man’s rib and people lived for hundreds of years. None of that is real.

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                    Which isn’t really relevant because that fairy tale is the common thing that ties them together. That’s what a fucking ethnic group is. It’s not a race or anything.

                    An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.

                    Religion, ancestry, and tradition are the big things that join Arabs together as an ethnic group.

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        May the coming nuclear war wipe all forms of religion from the face of the earth. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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            As much as I agree, that religion makes people do stupid/dangerous/horrible things, both of the world wars were not started for religious reasons. So maybe, there are more things that make people hate each other than just religion.

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              Religion is seldom the initial cause of wars, but it is almost always used as a tool to motivate and drag the population along with the war effort.