Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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    So you’d rather have children being thrown out to the streets or even killed by their parents just for talking to another person about their gender identity?

    They’re not “determining decisions,” they’re protecting children. There’s a reason that kids don’t tell their parents that they’re queer.

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      So you’d rather have children being thrown out to the streets

      Why is this automatically what’s going to happen to kids whose teachers tell their parents if they’re socially transitioning?

      Why is it always ‘OH MY GOD, THE PARENTS WILL KNOW THEY WILL KILL THESE KIDS’

      Unless you can prove that that is the most likely scenario in these cases, that’s a shit argument.

      killed by their parents

      How often does this happen? Can you provide any statistics that can convince a reasonable person this is a widespread issue?

      They’re not “determining decisions,” they’re protecting children.

      Exactly the difference between you and I. I think the people should be protected from the government, so we can live our lives. You think the government should protect the people by everyone doing what the government thinks.

      There’s a reason that kids don’t tell their parents that they’re queer.

      Some, sure.

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        Why is this automatically what’s going to happen to kids whose teachers tell their parents if they’re socially transitioning?

        I’m not saying it happens to every queer kid, it’s to prevent “…28% of LGBTQ youth [reporting] experiencing homelessness or housing instability…” and 52% of queer youth [reporting] to have experienced three or more ACEs (adverse childhood experiences,) which includes emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and physical abuse.

        Exactly the difference between you and I. I think the people should be protected from the government, so we can live our lives. You think the government should protect the people by everyone doing what the government thinks.

        I don’t believe that government is necessarily a bad thing; I highly disagree with many of the policies of governments today, but I think that when government is used for the people, by the people, it can be a very useful and productive tool. Your entire argument boils down to, “Parents are always right and government should just fuck off,” which is not just completely incorrect, but extremely disrespectful to those who have experienced abuse by their parents and relatives.

        While I’ll probably never be able to convince you, when you’re in a nursing home wondering why your kids never visit you, I hope you realize what I mean.

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          I’m not saying it happens to every queer kid

          You’re acting like this is the default situation if the teachers tell their parents that the kids are socially transitioning at school.

          I’m not saying it happens to every queer kid, it’s to prevent “…28% of LGBTQ youth [reporting] experiencing homelessness or housing instability…” and 52% of queer youth [reporting] to have experienced three or more ACEs (adverse childhood experiences,) which includes emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and physical abuse.

          And if you look at the survey that it’s based on, it’s clear why the numbers are staggering.

          “We are also proud that this sample is our most diverse yet, with 45% being LGBTQ youth of color and 38% being transgender or nonbinary.”

          nearly 40% of the surveors is made up of the minority of people that identify as LGBTQIAS2+. Transgenders make up 8% of the LGBTQIA2S+ community, and they clearly have these issues much worse than the others in the community. So they’re weighted more than 4x as much in these statistics.

          Do you think these %'s would change vastly if they used a proportionate sample size as the LGBTQIA2S+?

          I agree, especially trans youth, have issues at home, that’s why I’m for a huge investment in programs helping these kids, not just for the + community, but for all youths experiencing homelessness, but that’s outside the scope of schools.

          but I think that when government is used for the people, by the people, it can be a very useful and productive tool.

          What cases would you say the government is used for the people by the people? What’s that mean in schools today?

          Because what I’m seeing is it’s being used by the education system, for the education system. Our test scores are near the bottom of all OECD countries, despite spending more than any other country, and 30% more than most of our peer countries

          The schools say we don’t give them enough money, that’s why we’re falling behind. But instead, we give them much much more, while receiving a worse and worse education, and they want to teach our kids stuff we don’t want them to. I imagine the reaction would be different if the education system was doing well, if we felt our kids were being taught correctly. Instead it’s crappy, expensive and not what we want, that’s a bad sell to most parents.

          While I’ll probably never be able to convince you, when you’re in a nursing home wondering why your kids never visit you, I hope you realize what I mean.

          I’m not worried about it. I treat people with love, and patience. Just because you and I have different views on how to tackle social issues, doesn’t mean I’m gonna die alone and my kids will hate me. It actually makes me feel really bad for you that you think if someone disagrees with you, that their lives should be miserable.