I’m not even talking about good parents vs bad parents. I’m talking about the reasons people have kids. What is the positive reason to have children? I can’t think of one that isn’t a bad prediction, like wanting to bring a good person into the world. It’s not like raising children is a fun fair either. So it’s rewarding? Well first of all that’s selfish, second of all that’s something that people apply to literally every difficult situation they manage to get through.

So what’s the utilitarian reason for having kids? They’re all either selfish or prideful. Even if you’re a good parent.

Everyone is like “no you’re wrong” but I’m not seeing any actual counter arguments or examples of reasons to have kids that aren’t ultimately self-interested and/or bad speculation.