Historically, this country has sort of an allergic reaction, for good reason, for having the military being overly involved in policing. So what’s happening now is concerning. It’s sort of an escalatory measure with the 4,000 National Guard as well as 700 Marines. What makes this somewhat unique is that the governor doesn’t really want the National Guard there, or at least the California National Guard federalized in that capacity—in most instances, the governor is consenting, or even requesting, the president to assist in enforcing the law in that situation. Most famously, you saw that in 1992, when [Republican] California Gov. Pete Wilson, at some point during the LA riots, essentially requested President Bush to sort of come in and help him out.

There’s different terminology and just different ways to think. We talked about [rules of engagement] vs. what’s called “rules for use of force.” In LA [in 1992], there were Marines who were accompanying the Los Angeles Police Department for a domestic situation and LAPD officers knocked on the door and they asked the Marines to essentially “cover me,” which means one thing in a law enforcement context. Essentially, it means take your gun off of safety and be ready to take action if needed. And in the military context, “cover me” means, essentially, lay down covering fire to cover the advancement of troops.

So the Marines did what they thought was required, which was laying down covering fire into this person’s apartment in Los Angeles. I think 200 bullets were splayed. Thank God no one was hurt or injured, but it just kind of shows a disconnect between the combat versus law enforcement. I don’t think that was ever known until much later.

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    Is there any source on this “cover fire” incident other than this guy spinning yarn? Cuz that sounds outlandish even in 1992 and contrary to actual training. Marines have known how to enter a building for a while.

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      Yes. A shotgun was fired through the door at the officers, prompting the request for “cover”. Luckily, no one was injured as there were kids inside. This except comes from the Army War College in Pennsylvania.

      Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled cover me!’ to the marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. . . . The police officer had not meant ‘shoot’ when he yelled ‘cover me’ to the marines. [He] meant . . . point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where ‘cover me’ means provide me with cover using firepower. . . . over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house."[1]

      Source: https://www.militarymuseum.org/LARiots1.html

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          Tbf I’m pretty sure journalists only link to other news sites as sources because of corporate. Monetary interests and all that. Bounce the traffic and misinformation around.

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            Your source is a California state museum entity. Hardly a news competitor. And much more substantial than some guy telling a story with no citation at all.

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              Right. I just mean that the actual journalist may not be allowed to cite actual sources. Corporate might forbid it like how they restrict so many other things.

              Edit: One of my personal conspiracy theories as an alternative to Hanlon’s Razer.