How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don’t want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?

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    I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.

    “its just a movie guys”

    Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder’s take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don’t know that.

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        I so want a sequel to the sing along blog.

        Dr Horrible has become obsessed with reviving Penny by turning back time. He doesn’t care how many people need to die, because he believes he can “fix” things. But the risk of time travel is the destruction of the universe…

        Captain Hammer, now knowing what pain is, has two choices, grow and overcome the pain, or continue to hide away…

        And Penny. The multiple zombies, and clones, and computer simulations of Penny that were never “right”. Well, she too has her parts to play.

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    The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness… Good doesn’t pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good…ffs, 'the list is on my desk…"

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    I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.

    I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

    Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.

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      I 100% expected this movie to suck and was even saying up to its release that it would flop.

      I’ve seen all the Superman movies since the 80s. And all the TV shows.

      This is my favorite movie.

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      This movie won me over when I saw Krypto and the fortress Bots. That’s the kind of stuff I’ve always wanted, but then idiots like Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan (who clearly hate and are embarrassed by the source material) show up and want to make everything dark and “realistic” so characters like krypto don’t make it to the movies. Fuck realism, im watching a movie about a super alien fighting monsters, i don’t want realism in my comic book movies

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        I like realism. I also like fantasy. It’s interesting to see different people takes on these characters imo. I think it would be boring if every time they make a new Superman franchise it was exactly like the last one.

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        I don’t think Christopher Nolan wasn’t embarrassed by Batman and he only made a standalone trilogy. If he was embarrassed by Batman, he wouldn’t have included an homage to Adam West Batman.

        Singer and Synder are just edgelords. You can find them at any comic book store arguing about something stupid, but tolerated longer then they should be because they spend the most money.

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          On the Synder track, 300 is just a really uncomfortable movie. It’s a propaganda movie for a hell-state.

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            Isn’t that like the point? The whole movie is visualization of the propaganda speech that the narrator (Dilios) is making before the battle of Plataea.

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              Did anyone walk away from that movie thinking “this is an unreliable narrator story and we shouldn’t take the fash-y elements at face value” or was it “damn the Spartans were bad ass”?

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      Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

      James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds

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        People on Facebook are telling me he isn’t an immigrant, he’s from outer space. I’m so confused as to what they think an immigrant is

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          “Strange visitor from another planet” is one of the first things most people learn about him, right after him being neither a bird nor a plane.

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            The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.

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          Apparently there is a black version of Superman in some comics and they were making a movie of him. Sadly, the movie has been cancelled.

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            To be fair, the cancelled movie would have been with Will Smith. I’m ok being without a Will Smith Superman movie. Steel did get his own movie, but without any Superman IP in it.

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        But that’s nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.

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        That’s all? That’s why they’re upset? Sigh, it’s as if someone accidentally farts and then they rage.

        Isn’t he kinda right though? If I remember well, Superman came from another planet.

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          There are two plausible explanations:

          1. People think immigrant refers to a person who chose to move. Since Superman didn’t arrive on Earth by choice, he’s not an immigrant. This is, of course, incorrect.

          2. People think the term immigrant only refers to people who look “different” compared to what is common in the region. This is, of course, racist.

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            If they’re okay with immigrants who didn’t come by choice, then all the children who were brought to America illegally by their parents should be allowed to stay and everyone born in America should be allowed to stay citizens.

            As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.

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              As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.

              Now I want an alternate-universe Superman who happens to be black, and lands in racist-as-hell-ville in the rural USA.

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    They don’t have a movie but they have a show. Homelander is the perfect ‘hero’ for these people. Only even the dullest dullard in the magat pile fails to recognize the character is evil but they never consider they are the baddies. Edit: fixed spell check.

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    I just came out of watching the new movie.

    In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.

    That’s what they are mad about.

    I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.

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        I am not an American and I have never been a Superman fan. I had fun, I felt represented, I was entertained, cannot wait for a sequel, am looking forward for Peacemaker S2 and whatever else is planned.

        Warmly recommended. I really think all Americans should see it, as it may have a very good and stronger effect on them.

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        If you haven’t, I highly recommend reading “Superman Smashes the Klan.” An all-timer, based on a radio story from 1946, which was honestly its own kind of ballsy.

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        Well, yeah. They aren’t exactly trying to hide their white supremacist tendencies anymore.

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    Superman fighting the klan didn’t work because adults laughed at their hand signs and shit that were disclosed…

    It’s because it got a generation of kids to see the klan as the bad guys

    If Superman hated you, how the fuck were you going to indoctrinate your kid into the klan?

    That’s why they’re always bitching about media. The people doing it are ignorant, but the ones telling them what to be mad about it are picking logical targets to fufil longterm goals.

    It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.

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      It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.

      Can confirm. 330lbs I said “I’ll reach 320.”

      At 320 I said I’ll reach 310.

      At 310 I said 300.

      At 300 I said 290.

      Then 280.

      Then 270.

      Then 260.

      Then 250.

      Then 240.

      I went back up to 250. Oh no no no no no. Fuck that shit. I’m going to see 240. And when I do, it’ll set my sights on 230.

      And when I see 230, I will hug someone. Because that will be 100lb.

      Which means I’ll look to 220.

      And then 210.

      And 200.

      I don’t know where my weight loss journey ends. I don’t know when I’ll feel at a healthy weight.

      I just know I hope my journey brings me to a day when I get to punch a nazi.

      Because nazi lives DON’T matter!

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          The horrible thing about it all is that saying you should always punch Nazis was an uncontroversial statement even as recently as three years ago.

          The only reason it’s now considered a terroristic threat is because powerful figures have started openly identifying with fascism.

          We need to be saying it more, not less.

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        Well. Your journey took real strength. Ain’t that something? Keep fighting the good fight.

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        Just don’t think of it as a diet or oppressive. Make it a lifestyle. I’m still around 220 after 11 years of mostly stuck in bed. 16 years ago I was 350. A part of me wishes I was still 190 at 7%, but it is super hard for me to get that low. I just don’t have that kind of pain tolerance to deal with being light headed and hungry 24/7 while counting calories, eating constantly, but never meals or more than a few bites of dry salad or chicken. Without racing and riding like 400+ miles a week, I’m just not that kind of motivated. I’d much rather be lazy and eat meals with way too many calories at once but still far fewer than most people. I have no desire to binge or eat processed food of any kind any more. Avoiding dairy has also been super helpful too because that is a good excuse to avoid most junk people make, fast food, or restaurants the few chances I ever get.

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    Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don’t deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it’s very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they’ve already bought into.

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      People care about their in-group. Make being human their main identity.

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      A few slaps on the butt (assisted by a carpet beater when the occasion demands it) will usually do it. At least that’s how my mom did it with us.

      “You! Have! To be! Good! To! Your! Sister/neighbor/dog!”

      (EDIT: /s if not clear)

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      That’s the thing, isn’t it? You either have empathy, or you are the other species. The one that can’t comprehend that there is anything wrong with them, but the world would be better off without them.

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        Oh fuck off would ya? Every time I test my empathy, I am basically shown to be simply unemphatetic. Doesn’t make me a monster - simply instead of feeling something is wrong, I have to think shit through.

        And trust me, it’s even easier that way. Would I like someone to kick me? Maim me? Deport me? Does the net good outweight both the general consequence and the consequence for the other party? No? Then don’t fucking do it. Whether I like other party doesn’t take part in the process, which isn’t true for empathy.

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        Empathy can absolutely develop over time. This rhetoric is not useful. Even dumb fucking right wing pieces of shit feel empathy when their in-group is affected.

        If hate can be learned so can empathy, what you’re suggesting is dehumanizing

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          Empathy can be developed over time by MOST people.

          Also, performative empathy can be developed.

          But then ALSO, anti empathy seems to be developing in society? Which is wild.

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            I’m with you brother. They have dehumanized so much they are no longer human themselves. Right wing ideology is subhuman ideology, in all forms.

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          I am absolutely with you.

          Also people should learn the difference between empathy and sympathy, the latter not as fatiguing and difficult to develop and often more useful.