He testified that he was responding to what he viewed as “police brutality” and acting out of anger. “Those are terrible things to say. Of course. I shouldn’t say those things,” Wise testified. “I think I was careless and used, like, terrible words when I was angry.” He said the terms Nazi and Gestapo came to mind because of law enforcement training he had received from the Anti-Defamation League and past visits to Holocaust museums. A federal prosecutor pressed Wise about his rant against police. “You yelled, ‘shame on you, shame on you?’” Assistant U.S. Attorney Taylor Fontan asked. “I did,” Wise replied. “And you meant it or you wouldn’t have said, right?” Fontan asked. “I assume yes,” Wise said. “And you meant 'Kill 'em, kill 'em, kill 'em, get 'em, get ‘em,’ right?” Fontan asked. “No,” Wise said. “I think that was just an angry reaction.” “Okay. So you meant it 10 seconds before and then all of a sudden you didn’t mean it, right?” Fontan said. “No,” Wise testified. “I don’t think I meant kill 'em, I don’t want people to die.”

Imagine that we’re you or me at an ICE protest.