• EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Give an exemple of anybody in charge of the investigation that said he was the shooter ?

    Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kash-patel-under-scrutiny-misreporting-charlie-kirk-suspects-capture

    The backlash began after Patel said Wednesday that “the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody,” before saying less than two hours later that he had the wrong person. It was the second time that day authorities had arrested someone in the case then let them go.

    Here you go. Literally the head of the FBI saying the 71 yo they caught who wasn’t the shooter is “the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.”

    Here’s what happened when that guy got arrested:

    Zinn told police he shot Kirk to “draw attention from the real shooter,” according to documents obtained by Fox 13 News. He allegedly approached an officer and said, “I shot him, now shoot me,” but refused to say where the weapon was. Officers searched him and found no gun.

    Patel before bothering to learn any of this:

    “… the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.”

    Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.

    Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.

    https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580

    “Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism,” the first two lines of the study read

    And you want to believe Kimmel apologizing is somehow magically better for society? Is his apology going to bring back these publically funded studies paid for by our tax dollars?

    Explain this reasoning of yours. Please. Because it’s truly insane to me.

    And I do not say this lighty - but I have to because you honestly believe this:

    Cause national tv is subject to law that doesnt abide political figure.

    Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It’s technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.

    https://niemanreports.org/fox-dominion-lawsuit/

    the Dominion lawsuit has exposed the network as an entertainment network masquerading as a news outlet. In private, Fox News personalities like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Carlson were expressing their disdain for former President Donald Trump and their belief that the 2020 presidential election wasn’t stolen. On air, they said the opposite.

    On air they said the opposite because they’re allowed to lie. Because its legal for them to lie to you on television.

    But it is NOT legal for anyone holding public office to lie.

    Here is that law: https://www.mololamken.com/knowledge-Is-It-a-Crime-To-Lie-to-the-Government-Even-If-You-Are-Not-Under-Oath

    Under Section 1001 of title 18 of the United States Code, It is a federal crime to knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime.

    Patel didn’t know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.

    It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent lying idiot who is feeding national division by eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done, and you can’t prove otherwise because you’re unwilling to admit team Trump even lies at all, despite them being the only ones in all of this legally obligated to tell the truth.

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      14 hours ago

      Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.

      in the article u link he s criticized for that. And the left being violent isnt a first and like i said before the shooter is antifa affiliated and while we didnt have the shooter we had the bullet casing before with antifa slogan.

      Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.

      heard about that story but from i understand it was data that was missrepresented same as the adl one who post all anti goovernement action as far right. but that s not the subject here.

      Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It’s technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/73.1217

      about the next point u have your answer in this part “within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime.”

      Patel didn’t know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.

      ??? did u misstype ? anyway im not sure he was lying since he retract his statement in 2 hour. like see he retract false statement. The same i said kiemel should be abble to do

      It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent

      im all for a wolrd where incompetence is a crime.

      eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done

      they retracted false informations. in the end the killer is still a leftist. Also not abide by the same law. but i agree bad information comming from the head of the fbi is bad and i condomne thoses

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        I’m sorry, but you’re hopeless.

        The shooter being a “leftist” is obviously all you care about. Not the truth. Not what’s legal. It doesn’t matter at all to you that the FBI literally lied about the shooter being a leftist before they even caught the real guy.

        Do you not understand how that means they are willing to lie to you about anyone being a leftist before there’s evidence?

        Do you not understand that anything Trumps team calls left you’ll just hate without thinking about it? Do you not understand how you’ve literally already proven this is the case with Kirks shooter? It’s also painfully obvious why you can’t bother to admit how much Trump lies.

        Because then you might understand how many innocent people have already been punished simply because Trump lied about them being leftist / illegal / bad to you just to get votes.

        Literally thousands of examples of this exist by the way.

        It would be great if you could actually care about this, instead of the snowflake reaction you’re having about Kimmel.

        But it does explain why this country has gone to shit. Because you let TV tell you who the bad guys are, and didnt bother to make sure TV wasn’t lying to you about it. So now Americans are the bad guys, and you’re okay with that because they’re “leftists”.

        Trump can now say whatever he wants and you will believe it as true without ever checking. Hell, you’ll even defend his lies now. Just as you have with the removal of the DOJ report on violent right wing extremism.

        Here’s two more Independant studies all proving the data in the deleted report was true: (Which in turn proves you defended the lie about the data being poor before checking to see if was true.)

        https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/comparison-political-violence-left-wing-right-wing-and-islamist-extremists-united

        we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in violence emerge on the global level, with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists to engage in more violent acts.

        https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

        Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024.

        The above is true, do you agree? Yes or no answer is all you need. Prove you care about the truth more than Trump by admitting what he won’t.