Unfounded claims about offshore wind threatening whales have surfaced as a flashpoint in the fight over the future of renewable energy.

In recent months, conservatives including former President Donald Trump have claimed construction of offshore wind turbines is killing the giant animals.

Scientists say there is no credible evidence linking offshore wind farms to whale deaths. But that hasn’t stopped conservative groups and ad hoc “not in my back yard”-style anti-development groups from making the connection.

The Associated Press sorts fact from fiction when it comes to whales and wind power as the rare North Atlantic right whale’s migration season gets underway.

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      What exactly do you think happens to the money you spend at the grocery store on bacon? It goes to the people producing it. And then they make more.

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        they were already paid before the store bought or received the bacon. and after you spend money, it’s not yours and you can’t decide what happens to it.

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          Lmao. I hope you are just trolling because that’s a 2nd grade answer. There is no way you are a serious person who has serious opinions about the world.

          you can’t decide what happens to it.

          But what DOES happen with it? The store restocks.

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              5 responses in 3 minutes? Yeah, no. I’m not engaging with whatever tf this is. Using debate terminology does not mean you have a logical argument and I’m not about to go through economic semantics while you play ignorant. Think as you please and I encourage you to tell/show as many people as you can about this interaction.

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            But what DOES happen with it? The store restocks.

            what happens when you buy beans on june 25? the store takes your money, and increases their orders of hotdogs and hamburgers using your money in preparation of july 4. the fact that the store is making that decision is not your fault, it’s theirs. it’s their decision to make.

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            There is no way you are a serious person who has serious opinions about the world.

            this is a personal attack… and an appeal to ridicule, not a rebuttal

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      I know it’s hard for the communist mind to understand commerce, but when you buy something from the store, that store buys more of that thing to fulfill the demand.

      While it’s true that the money I spend on soy milk and tofu goes into the same bank account as the money that pays for bacon and goat brains, stores are aware of what people are buying, and will likely not spend my lentil and black beans money on more dead animals.

      The money that you give them for your dead three month old chicken is money that they will spend on more three month old chickens, which those chickens’ producers will spend on making more chickens to kill at three months old. They will spend the money I gave them for my kale and spinach on more kale and spinach.

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        they don’t segregate the money. it’s fungible and all goes in the same pool. no one is responsible for the decisions they make except the people making the decisions.

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          This is nonsense, and I think you know it. If you buy a chicken from the store, they will take your few dollars that you spent and spend it on another chicken to replace the one you bought. They may not keep track of which dollar bills were spent on chickens and only use those dollar bills to buy more, but that’s a meaningless distinction. You bought a chicken, and gave the company some number of dollars and now the company is going to spend some number of dollars more on chickens than it otherwise would have. You have paid the company to pay a farm to kill another chicken. You have, via the transitive property, paid for a farm to kill another chicken.

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            You bought a chicken, and gave the company some number of dollars and now the company is going to spend some number of dollars more on chickens than it otherwise would have.

            than it otherwise would have.

            this is a counterfactual. it cannot be proven

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            You have paid the company to pay a farm to kill another chicken.

            no. i paid for the food they had at that moment. there is no other transaction for which i am responsible.

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            You have, via the transitive property, paid for a farm to kill another chicken.

            there is no transitive property, unless you think the people running the store and the farm have no free will. i don’t make their decisions for them.

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              I know it’s you, commie, you’re the only one who replies like this. Did you get banned or something, and had to switch to an alt account?

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                you’re the only one who replies like this

                cogently, on-topic, and without personal attacks?

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                  Making an individual reply to every sentence in the parent comment, having the effect of spamming the thread with dozens and dozens of replies and chains that make it hard to keep track of what we’re actually arguing about.

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                    i found meandering, multifaceted comments muddy the waters. I think the shorter comments keep it much clearer.

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            If you buy a chicken from the store, they will take your few dollars that you spent and spend it on another chicken to replace the one you bought.

            assuming they are open long enough to place another order, and that they don’t decide to change their inventory levels and become vegan. frankly, i’m not responsible for what they decide in the future. they could take the money and close shop. it’s entirely up to them.

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              If you keep buying chickens, they will not decide to become vegan. It is entirely up to them, just like it’s entirely up to my friend whether he buys me a burrito from taco bell after I cashapp him $5 for a burrito from taco bell. Worth noting, even though I only transfered $5 from my cashapp to his, and he spent $5 in paper money, I have still facilitated the transfer of $5 into taco bell’s bank account

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                this is totally disanalogous: no such contract exists between me and the store that has sold me something. I already have the product and they already have the money. if they close shop and run away with the money, that is just as valid as continuing to act as a retailer.