• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    People expecting the bourgeosie to simply “do the right thing” when presented with clear evidence is pure Utopianism, and betrays an utter lack of understanding with regards to class dynamics and Capitalism in general.

    Climate Change must be tackled without regard for the consent of the bourgeoisie.

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      Utopianism is only used when leftists want a thing, otherwise it’s just “Good Business Sense™”

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        No, Utopianism is when leftists think that you can just convince the ruling class to act nicer because it’s the right thing to do. There’s no materialism in that, and will just repeat the failures of the Owenites.

        Actual change comes from force, which is why strikes are so effective. That has materialist analysis, harm the profits and concessions follow.

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          Leftist? Liberal maybe but I don’t think leftists generally think you can just convince the ruling class to do the right thing.

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            Utopian Socialists, that’s why I referenced the Owenites. Usually leftists who haven’t read much theory, if any, but have their hearts in the right place.

            Liberals usually aren’t necessarily Utopian, because they believe the status quo itself is good, or just misguided. It’s idealistic, but not quite Utopian.