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    It’s almost as if they don’t exactly care or pay attention to actual reforms in the country, and are just pissed off at a politician because he hasn’t unilaterally ended a war being conducted by two other countries.

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      and are just pissed off at a politician because he hasn’t unilaterally ended a war being conducted by two other countries.

      I’m pissed off because he sold weapons he knew were going to be used for genocide. Downplaying genocide tells me all you are.

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        Have you ever considered that the White House doesn’t consider it a genocide? Just a normal war with an above average amount of war crimes.

        If you understand that position (their stated position) every action they take makes perfect sense under that perspective.

        Now you can argue if it’s genocide or not, that’s up to the ICJ but currently the whitehouse has more information than any of us and they don’t consider it one.

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          Have you ever considered that the White House doesn’t consider it a genocide?

          No, I don’t think Biden is that stupid.

          Now you can argue if it’s genocide or not,

          No. It’s genocide and anyone who says it isn’t knows better and supports it.

          that’s up to the ICJ

          Gloat harder that the US keeps abusing its veto to hobble any investigation into the genocide you refuse to call a genocide.

          but currently the whitehouse has more information than any of us and they don’t consider it one.

          Oh ffs. You just trust them because you love how they’re enabling genocide.

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            No, I don’t think Biden is that stupid.

            Every single press briefing where I’ve seen the word Genocide mentioned the Executive branch has firmly denied that description. The official position of the Biden administration is that there’s possibly war crimes, but no genocide.

            No. It’s genocide and anyone who says it isn’t knows better and supports it.

            And your standard is? Because if most of the world and literally every court is calling it not a genocide or “Idk yet if genocide” then I don’t see how “Anyone who says it isn’t knows better”. That sounds just like something you tell yourself to write off everyone critical as malicious genocide lovers.

            Gloat harder that the US keeps abusing its veto to hobble any investigation into the genocide you refuse to call a genocide.

            No country has a veto on ICJ decisions. What are you talking about? The U.S. isn’t even a member of the ICJ.

            Oh ffs. You just trust them because you love how they’re enabling genocide.

            Again assuming I love genocide or anything that’s happening in Gaza, I don’t, I just believe, as a member of a group that has been genocided before and could be again, that there needs to be a higher bar than 1 month and 10k casualties in to start screaming Genocide. There hasn’t even been a single investigation yet and people are burning themselves alive because of the rhetoric.

            War fucking sucks, and this may be many peoples first time seeing it, but this isn’t special for war, kids die in bombings all the fucking time and it’s depressing, but we didn’t call the children bombed by Assad in Aleppo genocide victims, we didn’t call the Chechens in Grozny genocide victims, we didn’t call the Vietnamese in Hue genocide victims, we didn’t call the Greeks expelled from Turkey and Turks expelled from Greece genocide victims.

            Yet, as soon as it’s Israel, it gets politically loaded, and people suddenly become bigger genocide experts than the ICJ.

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                You can’t just say “you’re a genocide denier!!!” When the world hasn’t even agreed if a genocide is happening.

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                  Watch me: You. Are. A. Genocide. Denier.

                  I’m not buying that you don’t know it’s a genocide.

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                    First Biden, now me, what’s your deal with not believing people when they say things?

                    Not everyone is arguing in bad faith.