The root cause is that people are let off the hook. “Oh both candidates were bad, no point in voting.” Hell you hear that crap all the time “republican and republican lite.” It’s not even close to the truth and people saying it are just giving people excuses for being lazy and letting them off the hook.
I’m not trying to make them hurt. I think they will be by default and deserve to be reminded that doing nothing ensured it.
And if you would read what I wrote then you’d see that I am saying the Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that? Afraid they might actually be forced to do some introspection and realize that they are part of the problem? Maybe they’ll finally take ownership and actually go vote?
“Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that?” The vast majority of voters and non voters are not on Lemmy or in your circles. The protest 3rd party votes and non voters are a small fraction of the overall turnout suppression that happens with a bad campaign. My frustration is that I’m already seeing individuals like yourself and establishment democrats learning the wrong lessons. What you’re saying is the same lesson the Democrats have learned in past elections and it’s what will keep them losing. Rather than energizing support with a populist campaign and policies they only campaign as the status quo compared to the Republican threat and it is not working.
Obama won by a large margin in 2008 because people were energized by the promise of change. Rather than delivering on that promise or learning that that was effective messaging they thought they had gained party loyalty that they could exchange for corporate friendly policy.
You’re right nonvoters, Trump voters, etc are culpable for this loss. My frustration is seeing so much focus on it. Shaming people did not did not work this election and it won’t work in the next. The issue wasn’t that you didn’t shame.hard enough. Keep doing it if it makes you feel better, but you’re yelling at a wall.
Voter turnout in swing states, the only ones where the voter total really matter in our trash electoral system, actually stayed the same or increased. You can check and compare the reuslts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The large drop is due to turnout depression in blue strongholds where voters knew democrats would win. Trump won swinstates in spite of turnout. I want you to be more informed.
The root cause is that people are let off the hook. “Oh both candidates were bad, no point in voting.” Hell you hear that crap all the time “republican and republican lite.” It’s not even close to the truth and people saying it are just giving people excuses for being lazy and letting them off the hook.
I’m not trying to make them hurt. I think they will be by default and deserve to be reminded that doing nothing ensured it.
And if you would read what I wrote then you’d see that I am saying the Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that? Afraid they might actually be forced to do some introspection and realize that they are part of the problem? Maybe they’ll finally take ownership and actually go vote?
For real- take the L and move on.
“Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that?” The vast majority of voters and non voters are not on Lemmy or in your circles. The protest 3rd party votes and non voters are a small fraction of the overall turnout suppression that happens with a bad campaign. My frustration is that I’m already seeing individuals like yourself and establishment democrats learning the wrong lessons. What you’re saying is the same lesson the Democrats have learned in past elections and it’s what will keep them losing. Rather than energizing support with a populist campaign and policies they only campaign as the status quo compared to the Republican threat and it is not working.
Obama won by a large margin in 2008 because people were energized by the promise of change. Rather than delivering on that promise or learning that that was effective messaging they thought they had gained party loyalty that they could exchange for corporate friendly policy.
You’re right nonvoters, Trump voters, etc are culpable for this loss. My frustration is seeing so much focus on it. Shaming people did not did not work this election and it won’t work in the next. The issue wasn’t that you didn’t shame.hard enough. Keep doing it if it makes you feel better, but you’re yelling at a wall.
Id say the same to you. Agree to disagree. Im moving on.
Voter turnout in swing states, the only ones where the voter total really matter in our trash electoral system, actually stayed the same or increased. You can check and compare the reuslts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The large drop is due to turnout depression in blue strongholds where voters knew democrats would win. Trump won swinstates in spite of turnout. I want you to be more informed.