You all are snowflakes but please explain this to me without triggering me
This is MY safe space and you can’t come in!
What’s annoying and nobody seems to grasp is that even if the tax was on the foreign producer instead of the domestic consumer, the end result would be the same thing. They wouldn’t just eat the cost lol.
This becomes so obvious when the tariff is over 100%. The supplier is obviously not paying 125% of the sale price in taxes.
If an entire cult is too fucking stupid to recognize what’s hurting them, then how the fuck could tariffs be MAGA’s death knell like some people are saying? You could literally douse some of these people in gasoline and tell them, ‘I need you to burn for just a couple seconds for Trump,’ and they’d fucking do it.
I saw some asshole in an interview saying, “Sometimes you gotta walk through the fire first.”
Like…Yeah? Maybe. Just don’t start by lighting yourself the fuck on fire. 😕🔫
It took Nazis months in Stalingrad to realize Hitler didn’t give a fuck about them. Shit, a lot of them probably died out there in the snow and ice thinking they were doing a great job for him.
tariffs can and will be the death knell if he comes back to those original rates.
No real effects from tariffs have happened yet across the board so the impact isn’t truely felt. Even chinese imports don’t have the tariffs yet because it’s only goods that were on boats after it took effect.
We won’t see the downstream impact of even 10% tariffs for months. It won’t be until sales slump that people start getting fired and then sales will get even worse…
There have already been plenty of real effects from HitlerPig’s tariffs, just not the financial ones. This latest tariff scam, the third one in three months, has eroded the confidence, respect, and trust of the entire world, and it will be YEARS before it returns, if ever.
Yes, but it takes time for people here to realize the effects of that.
Less travel to the US? Well we’ll start seeing layoffs in holiday destinations… but probably not that hard, yet. As things continue to decline and prices increase it will get worse, and worse, and worse.
Most of this stuff takes time to ramp up is my point. We still haven’t seen the effects of deporting hundreds of thousands to millions of immigrants in legal status before being arbitrarily revoked, and that will absolutely cause some major issues in all kinds of places. They were paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes per year based on 2022 data and getting no benefits from it. Even the immigration process is not free, you pay for all the workers who touch your case with all the fees involved. I know, my wife is living that. We’re not talking about our lawyer either, literally the filing fees paid to the US.
People were all ‘Dave portnoy is talking about losing money!’’ Yeah well, if you look into it, he still 100% supports Trump.
I think I’ve finally seen Dave enough times before Portnoy to stop the “I’ve read he is a great drummer…I’m not a fan of prog rock at all…why is he being mentioned” repeat that was going on every time I read the name.
Not me, yet!
PLEASE be Nice to Him! He THOUGHT Electing Trump would mean he could PUNCH TRANS KIDS in Public and Run Over Immigrant Children! He DIDNT think it would Hurt HIS Wallet! He’s WHITE For Pete’s Sake! Show some SYMPATHY!
Where “are” your QUOTATION MARKS? Breaking grammar RULES is “punishable” and NOT GOOD!
Sooo, it’s like this “Eat a bag of dicks”, right?… I’m confused, I think.
Is it surprising that the people who thought Mexico would pay for a border wall also don’t understand how tariffs work?
They STILL don’t get it? Everyone has been yelling about exactly what would happen. The news, social media, people protesting in the streets… even Fox News is critical of the Tariffs now. Journalists are bringing it up at White House press conferences and getting reaponses from the Press Secretary. This is not a secret. What sort of social bubble/echo chamber, do these people live in? Just fully bought in to the kool-aid. Useful idiots, the lot of them!
They have been conditioned to believe that the mainstream media is evil and constantly lies to them in order to facilitate the woke communist takeover and destruction of the USA.
So it would be an understatement to say they are working from a position of willful ignorance.
People are incredibly stupid.
I think this is the right answer. I really don’t want to believe this is true, but I think it is.
I really don’t want it to be the answer either… But as I get older it’s the only thing that makes sense. And honestly I don’t think it’s limited to party lines (which has me rethinking some of my beliefs - what’s the point of supporting the party that aims for a social safety net if they’re too feckless to ever make it happen).
People are incredibly stupid and technology / politics isolates that stupidity and builds upon it to make mindless propaganda drones.
Social bubbles/echo chambers is exactly what has created this. Why did Musk buy X and Trump created his own social media?
Because Musk accidentally made an offer for Twitter and because Trump needed to take foreign bribes?
Now, why was Musk able to get the Saudis and others to help him bankroll that purchase?
The Saudi’s liked the idea of being able to censor and/or dox people who are anti-Saudi. I think they got their money’s worth tbh…
So they have leverage over him
These kind of people get all their news from FreedomEagle on facebook or some angry guy with a red face and oakleys on youtube because mainstream news is woke dei
@kryptonianCodeMonkey @TheBat Very difficult for a cult member to deprogram themselves
To be fair, everyone has been yelling about a lot of things. I even notice a lot of stupid things said against Trump, which is frustrating, because imagine you’re hearing all those stupid things said and you’re not already committed to an anti-Trump ideology - then how will you believe when you hear the real anti-Trump things said?
Having half an ounce of curiosity, sense, and genuine interest in how the world works is a good start. What’s sad is that that is apparently asking too much.
You voted for it, you figure it out
What’s to explain? You got lied to by a liar who says he never lies, and you believed him.
It’s like complaining that you didn’t realize the Leopard you elected would have spots, when he’s ALWAYS had spots.
See, the trick is that calling it a tariff hides the fact it’s an IMPORT TAX, paid by the people within the IMPORTING COUNTRY
It doesn’t hide it from most people, just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them.
That’s the thing though. A lot of people do not bother researching and finding information themselves. That’s what makes rhetoric so powerful.
And it works. Just keep repeating the lie that people want to believe and they will believe it. The bigger the better. That’s what makes Trump so persuasive to morons. They want to believe these unbelievably ridiculous lies.
“A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth primarily used as a political propaganda technique.[1][2] The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. Hitler claimed that the technique had been used by Jews to blame Germany’s loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist political leader in the Weimar Republic.”
It’s funny how often the accusations Hitler leveled at others ended up sticking to him instead. After he had Ernst Roehm and other brownshirts arrested and murdered in 1934, he gave a speech in which he claimed that Roehm had been planning a “Night of the Long Knives” (a phrase in use since the middle ages) attack on Hitler and the other nazi leaders. The phrase famously ended up being used to describe Hitler’s actions.
It’s all projection man.
just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them
Of which there are more than 70 million in this country.
Probably closer to 200 million. Americans are deeply stupid about this kind of thing, and I suspect most people on the left didn’t really understand either until they were told how Trump’s plan was insane.
Since it’s a tax, the party paying the tax has no impact on its tax incidence. It’s just the result of supply and demand elasticity.
A tariff is a tax on foreign goods, paid by the consumer.
IT. IS. A TAX
Probably the whole reason behind it. A tax that your deeply tax-hating clientele is not recognizing. And also a regressive tax, that hurts poor people disproportionately harder then rich people, compared to taxes like income tax.
Why is it always my president or not my president with these people? It’s not a sporting event, there are teams but not the ones they’re thinking of
Its right up there with the bumper stickers I saw that said “I want MY country back!”
Guess the race, gender and age of the driver of that car - Bonus points to guess the type and design on the cap they were wearing.
I once saw a “I want our continent back” bumper sticker, Native Americans have the best shit posts. Also I fully support this idea just help me kill the English aristocrats, oligarchs, and dissolve the UK and we’ll have a deal.
I was in grad school for Anthropology and one of our Archaeology profs had a “Reunite Gondwanaland” bumper sticker on his car. One day we were stopped at a red light and a guy in a lifted truck pulled up next to us and yelled “yo man fuck Gondwanaland!”
Not gonna lie that’s fucken hilarious, I hope that dude knew damned well what Gondwanaland was but alas I doubt they did.
Politics is football teams for them. It doesn’t matter what is being done, it’s about who is doing it.
They believed that Obama would try to become a dictator because they assume that others think the same way they do. The goal is for your team to dominate and win, and you assume that the other team is playing the same way. Big part of why “every accusation is a projection.”
Yup. And they think it’s R v D aka The Left. Reality is it’s Obscenely rich v. the rest of us. They’re just pawns on the rich side
In this case its his president because he thinks trump thinks and cares about him. Cause trump is a racist bigot.
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Trump has said that other countries are ripping off the USA which creates the impression that foreign companies are selling goods far higher than they are worth. That means that people who believe Trump likely think that the foreign companies have enough margin to soak up the tariff, I.e. Pay it themselves, in order to keep doing business. Then the ripping off stops and those foreign countries just grumble that their gravy train is over.
In reality, they are not and never were ripping off the USA in the way that is being suggested. Republicans seem to have forgotten that the market forces they used to talk about being so important have put a downward pressure on prices to some extent have prevented price gouging wherever there is competition and no collusion. Even when the goods come from overseas.
Now due to the tariffs, the cost of doing business with the USA went up. So if they want to keep selling products in the USA, they need to cover the cost of the tariff, and the only way to do that and stay in business is to pass the tariff on by increasing their price to the customer. They can still sell that product outside the USA at its original price but they may choose to increase those due to reduced volume sold over all since the USA will likely buy less.
By labelling the surcharge for the tariff they are simply highlighting the reason for the increase in price. As they should. I fear though that posts like this show that even when the reason for increased pricing is made clear, people will still choose their reality and not believe or understand the causes and motivations.
The cost doesn’t increase to the foreign company. The cost increases to the importer here in the USA. The foreign companies don’t see that money (the IRS cannot audit China lol we have no jurisdiction over other sovereign nations), it’s paid by Americans TO America.
Also where the fuck is the tariff money going. Never a single mention of that.
Tax cuts for the 1%.
Governments are slightly weird, financially. For most people and businesses, money is analogous to water. For governments, with a fiat currency, they create and destroy it.
Money is “created” when the government “spends”. It then flows through the system. Eventually, it is “destroyed” when it is taxed. The goal isn’t to keep the amount of currency the same, but to control the “pressure” in the system. Too much pressure (money) causes inflation. Too little causes financial issues.
So in short, tariffs either go to the government coffers, or get destroyed, depending on how you look at the system.
It’s been 15 years and I’m still not sure if MMT is an accurate description of Economics, a persuasive analogy, or convincing bunkum.
A few pockets here and there.
Billionaires rip off Americans that are ripping off the rest of the world.
People still don’t know?! Lmao. How stupid can you be?
Very. Very, very stupid.
Think of how stupid the average person is. The. Realize half of people arw dumber then that
Half of them are too dumb to know that’s the mean, not the average.
Yes. I’m one of the ones too dumb to remember the distinction.
Ha fair, and now that I commented at all I’m probably due to say something silly in the next hour or so myself.
At least you know you’re dumb. That makes you smarter than any magat :)
Stop being mean. 😎😎😎
Give the late George Carlin his credit for this quote please.
there are people out there who voted for trump more than twice. Very stupid.
I’m impressed they are line iteming it for you.
I absolutely would. Make it clear that you aren’t just arbitrarily raising prices, that there is a cause, and exactly what that cause is so that people are pissed about it but at the right people.
I’m seeing more companies making it a “tariff surcharge” right before the tax line item.
When there tariffs change every time Trump goes into Twitter, i would expect them line itemized and with a timestamp.
It makes sense. It is clearly to show to dumbfucks who voted for this how their dumbfuck decisions cost them.
