In a move that has drawn widespread condemnation from the scientific and medical communities, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. abruptly dismissed all 17 members of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) independent Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) on Monday. He swiftly replaced them with eight new appointees—many of whom are known for their criticism of vaccines and for promoting misinformation.

This sweeping overhaul has raised alarm among public health experts, who warn that the nation’s vaccine policy infrastructure is now under direct attack. Kennedy appears to be acting with breakneck speed to consolidate control and institutionalize his public health agenda before meaningful resistance can be mounted against what many are calling a scientific counter-revolution.

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    There’s no such thing as a “vaccine skeptic”.
    It’s a term that anti-vaxxers use to draw rational people into conversations with them so that they can try to push their talking points.
    They do this because they know that people who trust vaccines and the science behind them wouldn’t listen to their arguments if they admitted that they were outright deniers.

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    Modern vaccines are so astonishingly effective for their use-cases that they are the closest thing we have to magic. Smallpox is now eradicated (except for lab samples) and polio is no longer a threat in the US (for now) and these ignorant self-important grifting assholes are going to torpedo this miracle of science.

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      Modern vaccines are in fact so effective that they’re endangering themselves. Because “no one” is seeing the horrors that vaccines prevent, people have grown sceptical that they’re necessary in the first place.

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      Yeah but preventing sickness isn’t profitable as giving drugs after you’re already infected.

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        Which is why vaccines production is paid for by the government and why the corruption of ACIP is so nightmarish. Without government funding, a lot of vaccine research, development and manufacturing will dry up. We are very, very screwed.

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          Luckily, there is a lot of vaccine research and production outside of the US so once you pay the tariffs you will have vaccines despite your government, as long as you don’t get a disease endemic to the US.

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        I think we are all forthright that many many millions didn’t vote for this. There are idiots there like anywhere else but unfortunately for them the idiots are on power.

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    So… what’s the real endgame here? What’s the agenda?

    Is it strictly some mind bogglingly dumb but well intentioned effort to do what they genuinely believe is what’s for the best of human health, with a complete absence of understanding of how to apprehend let alone interpret the most basic of scientific studies?

    Could a large cluster of people really be that skull fuckingly brain damaged?

    Or - and I’m very cautious to not claim this as fact - is there some actual further nefarious agenda at play? (Which I’m having a bit of a hard time articulating?)

    Is it an “X superpower has dirt on the administration, and is pushing for things that will harm the US in order to comparatively increase their international standing and influence” kind of play?

    Or some “make them even more weak, sick and bankrupt (and having less access to education and critical thinking), they’ll be easier to control and manipulate” kind of play?

    Or an “if we make public health even worst than it is now, we’ll (somehow?) find a way to privatize even more health related see stuff? (I don’t know what’s left to privatize in US health though)” kind of play?

    Or literally “we need to fight overpopulation, and the rich will always have access to healthcare and vaccines anyways, so push that shit to eventually kill the poor in droves”?

    Fack

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      I think RFK and a bunch of other people are anti-science because they’re hyper-Christian, and science is inconvenient for their stupid beliefs.

      Religion is almost always the problem.

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      What I expect is all the “the FDA doesn’t want you to know this” grifters are really excited to have their snake oil supported by the government so they can sell their stuff better. No further thought that “we could make a lot of money doing this” and of the similar myopic thinking that cares about next quarter’s warnings call more than being in business next year

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      I’m honestly leaning towards “skull fuckingly dumb”, combined with a reckoning of how few idiots it takes to break the system.

      Kennedy is a well established moron, so I don’t doubt for a second that he could do this simply out of stupidity. A problem of its own is that a person appointed by the president (rather than hired by a qualified board) can even do this in the first place.

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        All comes down to rules and guidelines built around the assumption that people have integrity, a moral compass, and will be held accountable. Just so completely fucking naive

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      I’m wondering the same.

      As a vaccine hater, and putting anti-vaccine policies into place, it seems like there would be little work to do.

      So maybe these people getting a job as payback for donating to a political campaign.

      Or maybe the jobs are for colluding for market / stock manipulation, which could go in either direction.

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    Does anyone know what this means for covid and flu shots in the fall since these groups are the ones who determine which strains to target with the shot each year? Will we just not have flu shots anymore or are they just going to be worthless?

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    This truly is yoinking the flight crew on an airliner mid flight, and sticking the loudest and stupidest passengers in the cockpit.

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      The viruses incubated by this idiotic nation will come for us all. And the stupidity seems to leak too.

      (Americans, I’m not calling you all stupid. Just your country right now, and anyone who approves of how it’s going.)

      Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease.

      Against stupidity we are defenseless.

      Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    RFK is a correction event. Those who listen to him will Darwin themselves out of existence.