With a runup in home values sparking higher property taxes for many Georgia homeowners, there is a groundswell among state lawmakers in this election year to provide relief.

Georgia’s Senate Finance Committee plans a hearing on Monday on a bill limiting increases in a home’s value, as assessed for property tax purposes, to 3% per year. The limit would last as long as the owner maintained a homestead exemption. Voters would have to approve the plan in a November referendum.

Meanwhile, Republican House Speaker Jon Burns of Newington proposes doubling the state’s homestead tax exemption, a measure likely to cut tax bills by nearly $100 million statewide.

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    10 months ago

    So sad that people who have high-value property have to pay more than $7.79 in taxes. Who will lift this terrible burden from them?

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      That’s not really fair.

      First off, we’re talking thousands of dollars per year, not $7.79. Secondly, the value of the property doesn’t matter unless they’re selling (or getting a reverse mortgage or something else). If it’s someone who bought a house to live in and they aren’t planning to sell, it doesn’t matter if it’s valued at $50k or $500k or $5M… except where property taxes are concerned.

      And if some family in Georgia is used to paying, and has budgeted for, $5000-$7500 per year in taxes, and suddenly that rises to $7000-$10500 because of something they have no control over and aren’t benefitting from for the above reasons, that is bad.

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        They can move and start renting like other poors have to do.

        I know it sounds cynical, but poors can’t afford the increase in cost of living either. Do you know what a household who rents could do with an extra 3-5 thousand dollars per year?

        And I’m not against the middle class. But when you see someone with literally millions of dollars in equity complaining about an extra few hundred dollars per month, I see how it can be a little infuriating.

        Millions might be an exaggeration in some places. But the equity is going up ten times the increase cost for property taxes.

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          They can move and start renting like other poors have to do.

          Ah, yes. Let’s consolidate wealth even more heavily among the already-rich. Good suggestion.

          But when you see someone with literally millions of dollars in equity complaining about an extra few hundred dollars per month, I see how it can be a little infuriating.

          Yeah, I’m sure they’d have no problem paying that.

          What about the people with $400k in equity, who are on fixed incomes, who were paying $2.5k in taxes, and are now paying $4k and can’t afford it? Oh, yeah. Fuck them, right?

          Again, equity is meaningless if you aren’t selling the property (or otherwise leveraging it), which most people claiming a homestead exemption are not doing. For them, it’s just less money they have each month.

          This attitude that anyone who managed to buy a home is part of the 1% and fuck those people is just toxic.

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          As it stands now, Georgia assesses property tax at 40% of market rate, with a $2000 tax exemption for primary homes. Highest property tax rate in Georgia is 1.66%.

          So if you own a million-dollar property, you’ll have to shell out a whopping [checks notes] $4640 per year, or under 400$ per month.

          But I’m sure plenty of ordinary people are being priced onto the streets. /s

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            That’s fine and dandy if you bought the house for half a mill or more. Where it’s fucking people over along side home owners insurance is when the house was bought for 75k decades ago and is now worth a million or more. Those people are are likely retired and on a fixed income or have kids in college and other expenses that go along with raising a family.

            You seem extremely out of touch if you think that $400/month going to local property taxes is not make or break for some families. My wife and I make well into 6 figures between us and even where we live it’s getting tougher to budget for everything and include the odd night out or weekend getaway so that we aren’t only working. For example, my wife is now on ozempic and because it’s the beginning of the year most of the cost ($700/month after manufacturer discount) is 100%/on us until we hit our deductible. Not to mention the shit you can’t plan for like a pet needing a vet visit NOW and having to find $1k+ for that visit.

            In short. I don’t think you have ever lived on your own or with someone other than parents or other guardians. You have no idea what it’s actually like trying to stay afloat nor do you have any idea what an unexpected increase of even few hundred a month in property taxes can do to a budget that has been meticulously planned.

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              That’s fine and dandy if you bought the house for half a mill or more. Where it’s fucking people over along side home owners insurance is when the house was bought for 75k decades ago and is now worth a million or more. Those people are are likely retired and on a fixed income or have kids in college and other expenses that go along with raising a family.

              They have a house that has appreciated in value by 925k.

              I think the obvious fucking solution is apparent.

              You seem extremely out of touch if you think that $400/month going to local property taxes is not make or break for some families. My wife and I make well into 6 figures between us and even where we live it’s getting tougher to budget for everything and include the odd night out or weekend getaway so that we aren’t only working. For example, my wife is now on ozempic and because it’s the beginning of the year most of the cost ($700 after manufacturer discount) is 100%/on us until we hit our deductible. Not to mention the shit you can’t plan for like a pet needing a vet visit NOW and having to find $1k+ for that visit.

              Yes, of course, all those things only home owners know. /s

              In short. I don’t think you have ever lived on your own or with someone other than parents or other guardians. You have no idea what it’s actually like trying to stay afloat nor do you have any idea what an unexpected increase of even few hundred a month in property taxes can do to a budget that has been meticulously planned.

              Are you fucking kidding me.

              You’re sitting here saying that someone with a million dollar home paying 400$ a month in “I can live here a little longer” bills is the ultimate in needing a fucking pity party and relief as the value of their property that they own continues to increase?

              You do fucking realize that most of us out here fucking renting are renting at well over that price, right? 400$ won’t get you a leaky fucking apartment in the backwoods. I should know, I fucking live in one.

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        From the article

        Suzanne Widenhouse, chief appraiser of the Muscogee County Board of Assessors, told a House committee in October that one Columbus homeowner paid $7.79 in property taxes last year, while a more recently arrived neighbor in a similar house paid $3,236.19. That owner would have paid more except for a $950 million property tax rebate championed by Gov. Brian Kemp.

        If it’s someone who bought a house to live in and they aren’t planning to sell, it doesn’t matter if it’s valued at $50k or $500k or $5M… except where property taxes are concerned.

        Oh, okay, so them owning a significantly more valuable piece of property to pass down to their kids is okay if they aren’t planning on selling it. And, I mean, if they decide to sell it anyway, we should be understanding that that wasn’t their plan. They can keep paying that $7.79, so sorry.

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            …who hurt you?

            Literally no one? Sorry for thinking that home ownership shouldn’t result in ever-increasing value for ever-reduced tax rates?

            This was exactly one example with no indication of this being a common issue.

            You do realize the point of an example given by an appraiser to a state fucking legislature is to demonstrate an issue, right?

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                I get it, you’re upset over rent increases.

                Clearly, you don’t get it. The rest of us are expected to move with the change of property values and the shifting market, but the argument being made here is that the people who are best suited to weather such a change, those with property that they can sell and actually returns value to them, should be insulated from the horrific offense of having to pay [checks notes] a tax of 1% of its value to the government that sustains their community.

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                  Maybe you should redirect this irritation and channel it into lobbying for legislation that would cap rent increases, too, to also insulate the other half of the population from the effects of increased property values? It doesn’t have to be a matter of “It’s bad for me therefore it must be bad for everyone else, too” unless you make it one.

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                    That’s also not viable. Property values aren’t just some abstract that don’t matter. As long as we’re living in a market economy, the idea of “Just implement price freezes!” doesn’t work so long as the increase of valuation is driven by actual value factors and not just greed.

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          Sure, and railing against those property tax rebates is one thing, but as what you quoted says, that’s not the norm. Property taxes are a problem across the country right now, not just in Georgia (as the article notes), and other states are also passing measures to help.

          This also is part of a homestead exemption, so it’s not stopping people who own multiple properties from paying higher taxes.

          A family owning a home and passing it on to their kids is not a problem, and I’m not sure why you’re framing it as one. It’s also not like it’s just one family’s home that’s rising in value while everything else stagnates; that hypothetical family who chooses to sell is not getting rich from the decision. Either they’re moving to renting, and paying high rental rates, or they’re buying elsewhere and paying the current market value of that property.

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        I bought my house back in 2021, and despite no renovations for myself or my neighborhood the property tax I’ve paid had gone up by just under 25% each year these last two years. I haven’t checked the change in assessed value but I think this bill would make it sting less lol

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        Reminder: not everyone living in homes that grew in value can afford to sell their house and move.

        not everyone… can afford to sell their house and move.

        not everyone… can afford to sell their house

        Maybe it’s because I’m a lowly rentoid and don’t understand these complex, home-owner things, but the rest of us have to ‘live within our means’, and don’t even get reimbursed for it by selling a piece of property significantly above what we paid for it when we get priced out of an area.

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          Those who own a house can have our budget changed by things outside of our control. If my neighbor builds a mansion that makes my house more valueable and thus worth more and so I have to pay more taxes - nothing has changed about my house though. This means I have less money in my budget to do my own remodeling, go on vacation or whatever.

          I know as a homeowner I will have expenses, but most are somewhat predictable - I replaced my furnace this fall but I started budgeting for it 2 years ago. My roof is getting old and so I’m already starting to budget for replacing it. However if my house goes up in value by more than inflation that is hard to budget for.

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            Those who own a house can have our budget changed by things outside of our control. If my neighbor builds a mansion that makes my house more valueable and thus worth more and so I have to pay more taxes - nothing has changed about my house though. This means I have less money in my budget to do my own remodeling, go on vacation or whatever.

            … okay? Join the rest of us? Do you think that doesn’t happen to people who don’t own homes? The only difference is that we don’t own the property, and thus we not only pay more, but we have no equity gain from it in addition.

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              It is easier to move if you rent (it still isn’t easy). In fact if you rent the ease of moving is one way to control rent increases. One consideration on the rent vs buy choice is do you want to stay in the same place for many more years. The advantages of buying generally only happen after 5-10 years in the same location. Thus I expect this to hurt owners more than renters because I expect renters to move more often anyway.

              The above is in general. I know renters who have been in the same place for years, that is okay so long as your landlord isn’t taking advantage of you. I know homeowners who move every couple years - though I’m not sure I’d call that a good decision.

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                  Communism is not a poverty cult. You’re just describing crabs dragging each other back into the bucket.

                  We should be housing everyone, not dropping more people into the rental market to be exploited by landlords.

                  Instead of just raising taxes evenly, tax the fuck out of landlords and real estate investors. They’re the problem.

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                    Communism is not a poverty cult. You’re just describing crabs dragging each other back into the bucket.

                    “Poverty cult is when you suggest people who own a literal million dollars worth of property should pay taxes that equate to less than the most bottom-of-the-barrel studio apartment”

                    Critical support for rugged individualism, huh?