I’m another one in this camp. Had a Model 3 for five years and loved the car, but moved internationally and had to sell it. Looking at EVs again of course but uninterested in Tesla because of this guy - that and his staunch refusal to add CarPlay. What kind of a moron refuses to add phone support to a $60,000 car?
Considering that Apple in the future is going to require even tighter integration with CarPlay (including handing over control to all screens and sensors to CarPlay), which Tesla may not like.
Prosecutors described [the next generation of CarPlay] insidiously as taking “over all of the screens, sensors, and gauges in a car, forcing users to experience driving as an iPhone-centric experience if they want to use any of the features provided by CarPlay.”
And yet, hearing a legacy manufacturers version of this story from a family member who works there, my impression is Apple is taking a stand on both usability and privacy. Their stance is mostly on the data collection they will be unable to do.
I understand Lemmy has a thing against Apple, and doesn’t like some of their customer protection choices, but many of them really would be in our best interest
Tesla is actually the only car company I give a pass on this, because their software is good. Companies like GM, on the other hand, with a history of horrible software and excessive secret data collection, ditching CarPlay and claiming they can offer something better is total BS. Yeah, your “better” is h why CarPlay exists in the first place
That makes sense. But in that case, why doesn’t apple impose data privacy standards on cars that want to integrate CarPlay? It would still allow car manufacturers to design their own software. I’m not sure I’d trust CarPlay to safely operate all of the sensors and displays in a car. What if the speedometer freezes for example? Or if the car suddenly detects a car in front of it (that doesn’t exist) and brakes because of it? It just seems like a really bad idea to grant such levels of control of the car to CarPlay, which isn’t evaluated to the same level as standard built-in car software is (afaik).
Or, better yet, Apple should lobby for comprehensive data privacy laws in the style of GDPR, which would at least help resolve these privacy issues industry-wide. And, to their credit, it seems like they are to an extent. My opinion is that hardware car functions, such as air conditioning, windshield wipers, seat warming, etc. should be managed by the car software, and navigation and music should be managed by CarPlay. Though of course opinions may differ here.
allow car manufacturers to design their own software
Maybe, but Apple is a software company; car manufacturers are not. Apple has a reputation for quality and design of software; car manufacturers do not.
Software is well outside the core competency of any car manufacturer, so I do believe it will end up being created and maintained by separate entities. Apple is taking their shot
If we are talking about embedded software and firmware that runs sensors and controls that have to do with powertrain or driving, I think that has to be part of the car itself and not rely on a connection to a third party device.
So maybe Apple’s strategy involves partnering with car companies on embedded systems, and then also defining a wider interface to send info back and forth between the car and phone.
The part about car play taking over the screens sounds ok from a safety perspective, but not so much controlling things in real time. The car would obviously need to be able to run the screens without an iPhone, and immediately fail over to that default.
And Apple has their own silicon and hardware engineers. Maybe they want to provide the actual hardware behind the infotainment system as well. Your car could have “find my,” and have seamless interaction with your phone in your pocket.
I guess then it would come down to personal preference. They probably won’t play nice with Android auto, but the all-Apple experience will probably be very solid. That’s generally what they do. They limit options and piss off a bunch of us computer literate people, but if you are willing to use their integrated product their way, it’s generally good.
It would probably also generate a lot of sales if put into some entry-level luxury cars. Like the type of consumer that literally does see their always-new iPhone Pro Max as a status symbol.
I’m another one in this camp. Had a Model 3 for five years and loved the car, but moved internationally and had to sell it. Looking at EVs again of course but uninterested in Tesla because of this guy - that and his staunch refusal to add CarPlay. What kind of a moron refuses to add phone support to a $60,000 car?
Considering that Apple in the future is going to require even tighter integration with CarPlay (including handing over control to all screens and sensors to CarPlay), which Tesla may not like.
And yet, hearing a legacy manufacturers version of this story from a family member who works there, my impression is Apple is taking a stand on both usability and privacy. Their stance is mostly on the data collection they will be unable to do.
I understand Lemmy has a thing against Apple, and doesn’t like some of their customer protection choices, but many of them really would be in our best interest
Tesla is actually the only car company I give a pass on this, because their software is good. Companies like GM, on the other hand, with a history of horrible software and excessive secret data collection, ditching CarPlay and claiming they can offer something better is total BS. Yeah, your “better” is h why CarPlay exists in the first place
That makes sense. But in that case, why doesn’t apple impose data privacy standards on cars that want to integrate CarPlay? It would still allow car manufacturers to design their own software. I’m not sure I’d trust CarPlay to safely operate all of the sensors and displays in a car. What if the speedometer freezes for example? Or if the car suddenly detects a car in front of it (that doesn’t exist) and brakes because of it? It just seems like a really bad idea to grant such levels of control of the car to CarPlay, which isn’t evaluated to the same level as standard built-in car software is (afaik).
Or, better yet, Apple should lobby for comprehensive data privacy laws in the style of GDPR, which would at least help resolve these privacy issues industry-wide. And, to their credit, it seems like they are to an extent. My opinion is that hardware car functions, such as air conditioning, windshield wipers, seat warming, etc. should be managed by the car software, and navigation and music should be managed by CarPlay. Though of course opinions may differ here.
Maybe, but Apple is a software company; car manufacturers are not. Apple has a reputation for quality and design of software; car manufacturers do not.
Software is well outside the core competency of any car manufacturer, so I do believe it will end up being created and maintained by separate entities. Apple is taking their shot
If we are talking about embedded software and firmware that runs sensors and controls that have to do with powertrain or driving, I think that has to be part of the car itself and not rely on a connection to a third party device.
So maybe Apple’s strategy involves partnering with car companies on embedded systems, and then also defining a wider interface to send info back and forth between the car and phone.
The part about car play taking over the screens sounds ok from a safety perspective, but not so much controlling things in real time. The car would obviously need to be able to run the screens without an iPhone, and immediately fail over to that default.
And Apple has their own silicon and hardware engineers. Maybe they want to provide the actual hardware behind the infotainment system as well. Your car could have “find my,” and have seamless interaction with your phone in your pocket.
I guess then it would come down to personal preference. They probably won’t play nice with Android auto, but the all-Apple experience will probably be very solid. That’s generally what they do. They limit options and piss off a bunch of us computer literate people, but if you are willing to use their integrated product their way, it’s generally good.
It would probably also generate a lot of sales if put into some entry-level luxury cars. Like the type of consumer that literally does see their always-new iPhone Pro Max as a status symbol.
phone manufacturers who refuse to use a standard communication system.
Believe me, if i was a vehicle manufacturer, i would be equally as pissed about there being two different standards, that work completely differently.