Saving click: this is about migrant workers who might get arrested under new FL immigration law.
I presumed as much.
This is going to absolutely devastate Florida. They need as many people as possible to do work, simply not enough workers live in Florida to rebuild it after a massive weather event. Anything that prevent workers from entering Florida means anyone working in Florida can charge more.
This may actually sink Desantas as a presidential candidate. There are more storms on the way. a slightly damaged house can become unlivable if subsequent events.
This may actually sink Desantas as a presidential candidate.
Nah, they’ll just spin the blame on “greedy migrants”, and you know people will buy that
Don’t you know the migrants are causing the hurricanes in the first place.
Republican preachers in the 1980’s explained clearly so that we all understand that hurricanes only hit gay people.
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1980s? Try 2006.
I mean sure, hurricanes cross the borders without any approval or paperwork and steal the local resources…
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No, the gays cause hurricanes. Do you even science?
those dastardly rich migrants. Always being so poor they can’t even live.
People will buy that because Democrats are incapable of countering Republican narratives.
Florida also has a number of restrictive rules about other trades/services not accepting out of state certifications. Traditionally this has been to protect Florida trades, but has become a monopoly where service is degrading while costing more.
Even then there was a lot of ‘off book’ work done by people who could do the job. Basically smaller jobs there would be easily knocked out, and less profitable have to wait for an official company to acknowledge them or just get someone. Small damages can become big problems if not fixed before the next storm.
This is going to absolutely devastate Florida.
Good. This is what they wanted, as reflected by their votes.
They need as many people as possible to do work
No they don’t. The only thing they need is to be economically and politically quarantined. Florida has become an openly fascist state is a threat to the well-being of the US and the rest of its people. They need to understand the consequences of their choices.
This may actually sink Desantas as a presidential candidate.
Nope. DeSantis was never a viable opponent to Trump, and the numbers have reflected that from day one.
I’ll take the stance this is actually a positive, since rebuilding after a hurricane in florida is a bad idea to begin with. It’s just gonna keep happening and keep intensifying in severity. The more people who relocate out the less people there’ll be at risk.
Let the conservatives stay as they insist. They claim it’s not happening and mock the normal people who have tried to warn them for decades. Fuck them. Maybe mother nature can help cleanse a little bit of conservatism from the planet.
And the less Electoral College votes that shithole has too. Let the Everglades reclaim it all.
I thought part of the problem is that they don’t change electoral votes anymore.
That’s why city votes is sometimes worth 1/4 of a dead mining town vote.
There aren’t new electoral votes because that would require expanding Congress via more House seats or new States. But the existing votes get shifted around after every census.
You’re thinking of the # of representatives not growing with the population like it’s supposed to. But even then, they ARE reapportioned based on the census. The census also reapportions electoral votes. AND if there’s enough population shift there’s also the redrawing of district lines.
So basically, yes FL losing / drastically shifting population could impact all sorts of things every 10 years.
Next do California sliding into the Pacific. Team Blue is fucked when that happens.
“Team Blue”? who’s talking politics. Nature DGAF about who you voted for. Anyway …
Geologic time for continental drift is not even close to the same as annual hurricane season and [wait for it] wild fires!!! And guess what, I DO say the same about anyone loving in areas prone to more and more wild fires who continue to rebuild there. But at least wild fires have one small chance of being mitigated through proper fuel management and power-line spark prevention.
Florida’s MAGA magnetism is a net positive for the rest of the country. They’re effectively gerrymandering themselves by packing into one voting area. Even if they gain EC votes, other areas of the country will be relatively more Blue and as Florida policies Brownback their quality of life, it’ll only help the Dems win votes.
Good. You keep electing fascists, you deserve to suffer for your choice.
There is strong gerrymandering going on there. That form of vitoing ensures the most extreme rise to the top since the other views never have enough votes to tip an election.
Sure, but DeSantis won a statewide election, unaffected by gerrymandering. So even though FL’s congress has more extreme people because of that, they’re not the only ones who enacted this law. They didn’t have to elect a fascist as a state, but they did.
Saying that, I do feel bad for the Floridians who didn’t vote for him and get fucked over because of this. But anyone who voted for DeSantis deserves whatever they get from his cruel actions.
Governor races are just as susceptible to gerrymandering as any other race.
they are susceptible to any number off vote suppression and election meddling tactics, but an at large election can’t be gerrymandered.
I can see Florida becoming the new Detroit over the next few storm seasons because of this.
Once the rot takes hold it’s a ton of work to reverse.
It won’t go that far unless people stop wanting to live in Florida. Since they are still building condos at the 500k+ level as fast as possible, I doubt they see significant decline.
Those condos are going to be 5M+ when every insurance company refuses to do business in Florida.
You get what you vote for.
Sometimes you get what lobbyists pay for or badly drawn district maps tell electoral voters the people wanted, even if the popular vote disagreed.
In short, not always.
You reap what you sow Desantis.
Consequences are a bitch.
Lol I doubt DeSantis is feeling many consequences. I’m sure he’s got plenty of non destroyed property to chill at while the rest of the state suffers.
He’s definitely feeling his shitty polling numbers.
DeSantis will benefit from this. Fascists engineer crises and then finger point at blameless marginalized minorities that they know people can be roused to hate.
Undocumented immigrants fit this category perfectly. “Houses aren’t being built, and it’s all because the illegals destroyed our construction industry! Nobody’s cracking down on illegal workshy job-stealing benefit cheating immigrants like DeSantis!™®” seems like the kind of slimy, disgusting, slogan he’ll argue, and he’ll probably win votes because of it.
The big point you didn’t mention is that conservatives will consume whatever made up message is thrown at them, apply zero critical thinking and take whatever they accept as an authority as never lying to them. Their lying leader is more of a symptom of this scourge thats plauging all us regular, compassionate people in society
ah, if it isn’t the consequences of my actions.
i would be elated by this, but events that wipe out the people who cant afford to bring people in to rebuild, means those properties will just be eaten up by the massively wealthy.
rinse, and repeat.
every time theres economic collapse or whatever, the wealthy can weather it, purchase all resources at rock-bottom prices, often with the governments assistance (theyre job creators!), and more wealth is migrated upwards.
but guess what, when the economy is great, who gets the benefit? giant tax breaks for rich people.
if we win, we lose. when we lose, we lose. the system is broke people, but yeah, at least you have your guns.
I understand your overall concept, for real, unpredictable one-in-a-million catastrophes.
But this is slightly different. So the wealthy swoop in, buy cheap, and renovate. GOOD. LET THEM. They will pay a lot of money to poor workers in need of jobs, pay INSANE costs to insure, if anyone will even insure them, and then climate change will wipe out their house too. Rinse repeat until everyone gets it through their thick skulls it’s a problem not to be fucked with.
Or said another way, if you want the government to support the poor people who lost their homes, do it by helping them relocate, not help them rebuild their castle so it can sink into the swamp again.
this isnt a once in a million catostrphic event. this is happening daily across the country in every town you can envision… this is at the core of the wealth migration for the past 40 years. every.single. downturn… every. single. recession… every.single. bust.
‘job creator’ is code for ‘wealth migration upwards’… its the mantra of the ignorant who still believe in trickle-down… its a completely fabricated idea pushed by the rich to make us all believe theyre not in it for themselves.
I know I said it, but you’re focusing too much on my one-in-a-million comment, as if I was saying what you described isn’t happening. I know wealth consolidation is happening.
My point was that unlike the downturn, recession, busts, that cause what your describing, THIS type of climate related weather event is just going to keep happening to that same location. And that it’s better to help the poor that are impacted relocate where they won’t get hammered by the next hurricane.
And if the rich want to swoop in and build on that land that is now legit worthless they are welcome to. I believe they will regret it when Nature strikes again. They can’t gentrify against nature. And all their value will be wiped out each time.
Using Google Earth, go to 4195 Pine Island Rd in Matlacha Shores, FL. Currently, if you go down into street view you can see before & after images of the area, depending on which side of the street you are on. It still looked like the “after” images in August when my field techs were down there & taking pictures.
Not sure why couldn’t include the URL yourself but
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ood6BKpjd4Xx6Csj8
The street view looks fine?
Should we build a wall on the Florida border and not let residents out?
Turn it into an open air retirement prison home.
Let the good people out, the fucking hickabilly’s and cousin humpers can live in the shit hole they created.
Those aren’t the stereotypes that comes to mind for the worst Florida has to offer. More like old retired Boomers and upper middle class culture warriors who thought DeSantis’ Covid denial was a great idea. But I didn’t take a census or anything.
I wouldn’t go there either. Rebuilding is going to be slow.
