Maybe they should ban far-left organizations indoctrinating children with marxist ideology as well? It’s not like communism killed millions or something…
You are just going to have to live with the fact that you’re the weirdo on this. People do not see Nazism and communism as similar or comparable. Nazism has discrimination and extermination of the “other” as core tenets of the ideology, communism is an economic model that simply does not have those elements no matter how desperate you are to assign them to it.
Authoritarianism is bad. But communism is not authoritarian. Governments calling themselves communist have become authoritarian and committed atrocities. But as much as weirdos like yourself like to deny it, governments capable of genocide are also capable of lying about being communist.
I mean most of the examples of “communism” we have are pretty damn authoritarian. The big two, the USSR and China, are all in on that shit, peaking with probably the mad regime of Stalin. Both are also pretty bad at communism.
But every third nation on Earth is currently run by a right wing hardcore authoritarian of one sort or another, from petty dictators to (increasingly few) monarchs. It’s the only form of government right wing politicians ever really pay attention to and the only solution right wing politics ever proposes.
This claim likely comes from the black book of communism, which includes lowered birth rates as deaths. Birth rates sink when women gain more freedom and education, so it should absolutely not be considered a bad thing, let alone a death.
Further, if the calculations used in that book were applied to capitalism, capitalism would have caused more deaths.
Ok. Life expectancy in america is lower for poor people. We can agree on that. Can you please compare it to the life expectancy in communist countries, like North Korea, USSR or China during Mao regime?
Nice deflection to the 1st country that isn’t Communist, a 2nd Country that doesnt exist anymore, and a 3rd country’s past failure. China has increased their life expectancy by over 44 years in the past 80 years of Communist rule and passed the USA in 2020. The USA is trending in the opposite direction…
Many of the issues have been attributed to policies that were made during the early Soviet Union, at a time when many officials felt that pollution control was an unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization, and, even though numerous attempts were made by the Soviet government to alleviate the situation in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the problems were not completely solved.[1] By the 1990s, 40% of Russia’s territory began demonstrating symptoms of significant ecological stress, largely due to a diverse number of environmental issues, including deforestation, energy irresponsibility, pollution, and nuclear waste.[2]
That was not my point. More than 50% of total greenhouse gas emissions happened after the USSR dissolved.
Apart from that: As an anarcho-communist, I don’t consider the USSR to be socialist (worker’s control over the means of production). And even the USSR never called itself “communist” (a classless, moneyless society by the standard “to each according to their need, from each according to their ability”), since that would have meant that the state would have had to be dissolved. The USSR was state capitalist (total state control over the means of production) and therefore still adherent to the “growth at all costs” paradime.
There is more thanone communist ideology. Murray Bookchin developed a ecologically stable form of communism starting in the1950s.
Communism is an economic model. It doesn’t cause people to kill anyone. It’s the political systems alongside that did and still does. You can see it’s different things, because a nation always has one of each, eg. capitalism+dictatorship, communism+democracy or capitalism+monarchy etc.
@mcgravier Bist du blod oder was? Germany, where one half of the country lived under communist oppression until 1989 (?), still thinks it’s better to actively fight far right radicalism (you know, fascists). Because they are seen as a threat. If communists where an active threat, (like in the '70’s) they would be targeted too.
Your both side-ism is false.
But don’t worry authoritarian communism is stupid too. Lenin and Hitler waxed the same pole. @Geert
Maybe they should ban far-left organizations indoctrinating children with marxist ideology as well? It’s not like communism killed millions or something…
Why is it that whenever someone says “Nazis are bad” there are always weirdos crawling out of the woodwork to say “what about communism?”?
It’s like clockwork.
Because anti-communism is just fascism with a fake mustache and trenchcoat.
A hit dog will holler.
Because Communism overall killed more people than Nazism. The hypocrisy of banning nazi symbols while allowing soviet ones is just unbearable.
You are just going to have to live with the fact that you’re the weirdo on this. People do not see Nazism and communism as similar or comparable. Nazism has discrimination and extermination of the “other” as core tenets of the ideology, communism is an economic model that simply does not have those elements no matter how desperate you are to assign them to it.
Authoritarianism is bad. But communism is not authoritarian. Governments calling themselves communist have become authoritarian and committed atrocities. But as much as weirdos like yourself like to deny it, governments capable of genocide are also capable of lying about being communist.
Completely agree, and I think the pithy tl;dr of this is simply:
Communists have hurt and killed people in service of the ideology. With fascism, hurting and killing people is the ideology.
Weird how he just… disappeared instead of admitting you may have a point. How long until he makes the same argument in another thread?
I mean most of the examples of “communism” we have are pretty damn authoritarian. The big two, the USSR and China, are all in on that shit, peaking with probably the mad regime of Stalin. Both are also pretty bad at communism.
But every third nation on Earth is currently run by a right wing hardcore authoritarian of one sort or another, from petty dictators to (increasingly few) monarchs. It’s the only form of government right wing politicians ever really pay attention to and the only solution right wing politics ever proposes.
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This claim likely comes from the black book of communism, which includes lowered birth rates as deaths. Birth rates sink when women gain more freedom and education, so it should absolutely not be considered a bad thing, let alone a death.
Further, if the calculations used in that book were applied to capitalism, capitalism would have caused more deaths.
Only gullible people believe this verifiably false statement.
If someone tried to minimize Nazism by comparing it to Marxism in front of me, I’d be sure to break their nose on the spot.
What far left organisations? And how are they indoctrinating children?
Schools. And they teach kids things like math, history, problem solving, and introducing them to critical thinking skills. Oh the horror!
Damn yeah, I forgot knowledge was Marxist
Seriously, thanks for reminding me
They should also ban religions indoctrinating children.
Donate here: https://ffrf.org/
They have some fantastic work over the years, Richard Dawkins was a big spokesperson in the past.
Do you know how many deaths Capitalism is responsible for?
No. Tell me please
https://invisiblepeople.tv/capitalism-kills-nearly-1-million-americans-per-year/amp/
Ok. Life expectancy in america is lower for poor people. We can agree on that. Can you please compare it to the life expectancy in communist countries, like North Korea, USSR or China during Mao regime?
Nice deflection to the 1st country that isn’t Communist, a 2nd Country that doesnt exist anymore, and a 3rd country’s past failure. China has increased their life expectancy by over 44 years in the past 80 years of Communist rule and passed the USA in 2020. The USA is trending in the opposite direction…
Communism is a stateless moneyless society in which the workers own the means of production.
Have you ever heard of climate change?
If you want to imply that communism is more friendly to the environment, I’ll have to disappoint you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_issues_in_Russia
Many of the issues have been attributed to policies that were made during the early Soviet Union, at a time when many officials felt that pollution control was an unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization, and, even though numerous attempts were made by the Soviet government to alleviate the situation in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the problems were not completely solved.[1] By the 1990s, 40% of Russia’s territory began demonstrating symptoms of significant ecological stress, largely due to a diverse number of environmental issues, including deforestation, energy irresponsibility, pollution, and nuclear waste.[2]
That was not my point. More than 50% of total greenhouse gas emissions happened after the USSR dissolved.
Apart from that: As an anarcho-communist, I don’t consider the USSR to be socialist (worker’s control over the means of production). And even the USSR never called itself “communist” (a classless, moneyless society by the standard “to each according to their need, from each according to their ability”), since that would have meant that the state would have had to be dissolved. The USSR was state capitalist (total state control over the means of production) and therefore still adherent to the “growth at all costs” paradime.
There is more thanone communist ideology. Murray Bookchin developed a ecologically stable form of communism starting in the1950s.
Seriously: Fuck the USSR
No you misunderstand the USSR did achieve communism: If it didn’t achieve statelessness, why doesn’t it still exist? Checkmate, comrade.
Communism is an economic model. It doesn’t cause people to kill anyone. It’s the political systems alongside that did and still does. You can see it’s different things, because a nation always has one of each, eg. capitalism+dictatorship, communism+democracy or capitalism+monarchy etc.
@mcgravier Bist du blod oder was? Germany, where one half of the country lived under communist oppression until 1989 (?), still thinks it’s better to actively fight far right radicalism (you know, fascists). Because they are seen as a threat. If communists where an active threat, (like in the '70’s) they would be targeted too.
Your both side-ism is false.
But don’t worry authoritarian communism is stupid too. Lenin and Hitler waxed the same pole.
@Geert