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Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility
The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.
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“We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war.” - these fucking geniuses, apparently
Hey, you can’t deny the world will have a lot fewer nuclear weapons in it afterwards!
WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
So we’ll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don’t like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt’s citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are “allies”.
If any other country did the things Israel has done, we’d be sanctioning them at a minimum. We invaded Iraq both times for less.
Hell we made up lies about Iraq
This time we are past the need for that. It will all be everchanging bullshit from here on out with the us.
Maybe they’ve got Saddam’s missing WMDs. . .
All that freshly baked yellow cake
Yeah but israel is our colonial outpost in the middle east, they can do whatever they want
9/11 killed a lot of Americans, ice kills Americans, do you see the pattern here, Jimmy?
“Art of the Deal”. Always start “negotiations” with a threat to go nuclear, then brag and posture and bully. Deal
You forgot the part where you Chicken out and go back on everything so you lose on both sides… No one ever sees it coming
Now it’s crystal clear how this absolute idiot bankrupt a casino
At this point I’m alright with a nuclear apocalypse, we had it coming. I just hope I’m close enough to a blast sight to not have to deal with the aftermath.
The fact that experts concluded that a tactical nuke would do the job doesn’t imply that they are considering using it. I don’t like the US administration, but this is wildly overblowing statements and pure fearmongering.
“Considers”. Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.
Ya know, I can’t hate this take.
He is going to back pedal because Iran is his boss’s (Putin ) ally. He is once again talking shit he has no intention of backing up. I could see him ordering a nin-nuke strike on something that wouldn’t get him in trouble with his handler though as a fake tough man move.
He floats the craziest idea so that whatever happens he can say “at least I didn’t do that one thing” and his base will praise him for it–even though the thing he actually did was still moronic. This is the “permanent 300% tariff”, “Canada will be the 51st state”, or the “Golden Trump Gaza” video. It’s the only way this imbecile knows how to negotiate.
The Golden Trump Gaza, what a fucking joke. I could be totally wrong but I’m going to take a guess and say that the Gaza strip is one of the most bombed out places in the world. If true it’ll be littered with unexploded ordinance forever or at least practically forever. He wants to make a giant Mar’a Lago? Sure okay, I’m sure your guests would enjoy the risk of losing a limb or being killed cause a forgotten bomb goes off 10 years later.
It’s nothing compared to, say, what the US did to Laos, but yes there are thousands of tons of unexploded ordinance in there and will take at least a decade to clean up.
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He’s gonna backpadel because he is a wimp, a paper tiger, he doesn’t dare to send people to war as he’s chickened out of Viet Nam.
TACO
What the actual hell.
I’ll wait for the US to demand that Israel destroy its nuclear weapons…this may take a while…
Fine, start a nuclear war. It’s the waiting I can’t stand.
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The fact is that conventional bombs can’t eliminate all the underground and mountainous facilities. This requires either a large ground invasion and occupation, at a very high cost, or nuclear weapons.
A ground invasion can’t happen for a number of reasons and Israel and the U.S. can’t allow Iran to continue having a nuclear program means that they will see no other choice but to use tactical nukes.
What about MOP?
What about stuxnet? But i guess no-one involved is looking for non violent solutions.
My point was that the “nuclear bomb is viable vs. other weapons” argument is wrong. MOP is a missile that seems to be specifically crafted for such purposes.
I mean, it makes the most sense to hit that facility with a bunker busting tactical nuke. Probably the only way to significantly ensure enough damage to end production at the facility.
No
You drop nukes and you cross the line. There is a goddamnrd good reason why nobody uses nukes and trump gets in and now all of the sudden everyone and their mother goes “weeeeeeelll, a tactical nuke, might make sense?”
Fuck. That. Shit.
You do NOT blow up nukes, ever.
I ask you a simple question: Name the only nation that has already used a nuclear weapon in a war… twice.
The USA, of course. Did I win anything?
Anyways, now I’ll ask you a simple question
What does that matter? That was some 80 years ago and no nukes have been blown up in a hostile avt ever since for very good reasons.
The few times someone even thought a nuke was flying we got to one step distance from WWIII. Wasn’t it a Finish weather rocket launch that damn near caused Russia to end the world? And the time that some training data somehow got mixed up and they thought an invasion was imminent? It’s half a miracle we’re still here and alive.
You set off a nuke in a hostile act and so many things happen. For one, you cheapened its use and I fucking guarantee you that after the first, the second one will follow shortly. Don’t worry about the fall out, these tactical nukes (I HATE that they had to give those a cool sounding name, especially with people like trump who salivate just over the name) are needed right?
I mean, Iran almost has nukes right? Netanyahu said so, right? Oh wait, that was 10 years ago. And 8 years ago… And 5 years ago… and…
You know, maybe Iran has nukes, maybe it doesn’t. At this point it doesn’t really matter anymore as we have religious doomsday wishers in the whitehouse led by a child who would love nothing better than to be the first president ever in the modern world to launch nukes. Iran is barely a threat on that chart, as evil as it’s regime is.
Either way, that the US dropped nukes 80 years ago is not relevant here
So you want / have to hit a facility designed to survive most attacks, even potential nuclear attacks and you chose to not use the weapons best suited?
Yes, correct. Absolutely. Because there are ramifications way fucking beyond that one instance.
Similarly, if my neighbor’s dog sometimes pisses on the petunias, a gun would absolutely solve the problem, yet despite being extremely effective it may not be the best solution.
You’re a fucking clown for suggesting nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are evil, go watch some history videos of what happened to people who were hit by one. And not only that, the destruction is long-term. Using a nuclear weapon to penetrate the Earth will definitely leave the region poisoned for multiple lifetimes.
I hate how the Internet has made all these arm chair idiots think that they are experts now on military strategy and weapons.
But to answer your question:
No, you do not use nukes. If you really need to get in, drop your bunker buster bombs five times more, you have the airspace as you claimed. Hell, drop twenty of em, still cheaper than a nuke but more importantly YOU WONT BE DROPPING NUKES
What part of “nukes are different, nukes are the end” do you not understand?
Once the first nuke drops, you can rest assured that the second will follow soon for -of which I’m sure will be explained as really really- good reasons and then the third will follow closely after because now we found another good reason…
Nukes aren’t just extremely powerful, they’re also extremely devastating to the world and humanity for a long, long time.
Once nukes start, humanity is done.
You. Do. Not. Use. Nukes.
You want them to retaliate with dirty bombs? Get into another terrorist pissing match?
I mean, that may happen at any time, that’s how terrorism works.
When the cure is worse than the disease.
Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
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I agree with you completely. He’s fascinated with nukes, and believes naked demonstrations of power show that he’s strong. If he does drop a nuke in Iran, you can guarantee that Russia will use them in Ukraine, and that quickly opens the door to a much wider war in Europe. Strategic thinking is not Trump’s strong suit, and he’s likely to bumble us into a nuclear WWIII.
I fully expect him to nuke a blue state in a false flag attack. I can’t prove it, but I won’t be surprised if he does
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You might enjoy the short run of the TV show Jericho.
There’s also comics that continue the story a bit more.
If you can’t prove it, then they are doing the false flag operation right. Well; correctly, anyway.
My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
Wouldn’t be the first time, but those were on accident and thankfully didn’t detonate.
Edit to add reference: 1961 Goldsboro B-52 Crash
I mean we also blew up a lot of nukes on American soil on purpose too!
New Mexico had it coming tho.
Mostly Nevada
Nevada doesn’t even own most of Nevada.
For science!…or something
The Science of War
Don’t worry, Los Angeles isn’t a state :p
WHO GETS THE NUKE FIRST? IRAN, GAZA OR THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE SEASON! sadtimes.
What’s the us city that matches the following:
- democratic
- least amount of white people
- more than 100k inhabitants
- doesn’t have critical military infrastructure
- Trump doesn’t go golfing there or at least doesn’t like to
It’d absolutely be somewhere on the west coast.
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London? Bonus: has a Muslim Mayor
… US city. London.
NYC
Nah he’s too connected to NYC.
Probably still owes payment on construction in NYC
Wouldn’t that give him extra incentive to blow it up?
Yes, saves him the legal fees of drowning his contractors in court to avoid payment
California?
I would be scared if I lived in New Mexico …
That phrasing is kinda racist, yo
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Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for “instigating” nuclear war
