Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.

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    I’m completely apathetic to this news. I’m not going to celebrate his death. But I think there’s a lesson hidden somewhere in here, we’ll probably lots of lessons.

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      I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

      - Clarence Darrow

      there’s a lesson hidden somewhere in here

      “People should be careful what they wish for.”

      Particularly, his own admission that the deaths of innocents should be perfectly acceptable for 2nd amendment rights to be upheld.

      Well, he sure set an example, now, didn’t he?

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      It is like someone falling to their death doing one of those “Free climbing to the top of a smokestack and hanging by one hand.” videos. You don’t celebrate it but you also think “Well you sort of knew it would come to a bad ending eventually.”

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      That liberals are unhinged psychopath murderers who constantly roam around calling everyone a Nazi fascist racist bigot and further alienating themselves, to lose more elections as a result? That’s definitely a lesson to be learned here. Keep on increasing that division and see where it gets you, this site will never take off because most normal people will read these threads and realize the mental derangement.

      https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

      Hundreds have already been fired for this rhetoric, and many more to come.

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        The things these people are saying aren’t even remotely as rude as the sort of things Charlie would say at an average event. Kirk suggested gay people be stoned to death. He said George Floyd had it coming. He blamed rape victims for dressing poorly. But those are all just words.

        So are you suggesting these people are murderers just because they are sharing some uncomfortable words? Curious.

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      I’ve been playing Lead Belly’s Blue Tail Fly every few hours and substituting Monster for Master because i don’t know the lyrics very well

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      I have eleven years on him, he looks terrible compared to me… and I spent most of my adult life drinking fairly heavily, among other things. lol

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      "If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

      A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.

      Roald Dahl, The Twits

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        Thoughts of malice, envy, disappointment, despondency, rob the body of its health and grace. A sour face does not come by chance; it is made by sour thoughts. Wrinkles that mar are drawn by folly, passion, and pride.

        I know a woman of ninety-six who has the bright, innocent face of a girl. I know a man well under middle age whose face is drawn into inharmonious contours. The one is the result of a sweet and sunny disposition; the other is the outcome of passion and discontent.

        James Allen, As a Man Thinketh

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      I’m 34 and I don’t think Charlie Kirk looked old or bitter. People need to stop wanking themselves into a gooning, salivating delusion that people with their views are good looking, whereas people with opposing views are ugly. People are so delusional in these echo chambers - they need to look in the mirror.

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    Why is this site full of constant hatred and far-left psychopathy? No difference of opinions or dialogue. I guess I need to stick to reddit unfortunately. But this is why the left are going to lose the elections for the next 8 years, so congrats on the hateful rhetoric, I recommend becoming even more unhinged to push even more people away from that alignment. Seal your fate forever.

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      Because a guy whose entire role in the world was to develop a program of political violence, dying to political violence; well thats just fucking hilarious.

      I mean his very last words were quite litterally trying to justify the kind of violence that he died from: 👌🫦 💦

      And your reaction: Its even MORE hilarious.

      The losers/ creeps/ idiots calling this “WAR” are the same idiots/ losers/ creeps that were calling Cracker Barrel changing their logo “WAR”: No sane person takes them seriously.

      Its a great thing that he’s gone. He was human filth. He was doing real damage to the social fabric and the only people outraged by the reaction to a human poop nugget getting what he deserved are also people actively tearing at the social fabric of human society.

      Fuck Charlie Kirk, fuck Trump, and fuck any fascist apologist who make any excuses for them.

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        Not sure if “hilarious” is the right term considering it was very expected. If you live by the sword you die by the sword.

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      Blud they just tried to assassinate a senator and hid wife in Minnesota in June… They’ve been bombing and burning, shooting clinics for so many years

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      Lefties can only aspire to be as free of hateful rhetoric as the angels of the right. Remember when Biden released 1500 violent conspiratards after they attacked the capitol, which resulted in the death of multiple people? thanks Obama

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      He did more than to bring violence to my community than nearly any other public figure. He may not have personally pulled a trigger or struck a blow, but I know for sure he would not have shed a tear over any of the transgender or minority deaths he encouraged. Why do you expect me to do anything but repay him in kind.

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      I don’t know. Why does Donald Trump fuck little kids, and have innocent brown people kidnapped off the streets? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Donald Trump attempt, incompetently to weaponize an epidemic, and allow it to spiral into a pandemic? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Charlie Kirk advocate for children getting mowed down by automatic weapons, so he can go hunt innocent animals? Why was he such an asshole? Answer those questions first, since they all happened first. Then I’ll tell you why I laughed at his Kool Aid Fountain neck.

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      Constant hate? Ha.

      I wouldn’t have wished harm on this MAGA weirdo or any other MAGA crazies. MAGA are the ones actually posting for retaliation violence. I have lost sympathy for the pedophile worshipping MAGA cult.

      However, I am going to laugh my ass off when stuff like this happens to hate filled bigots.

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    Bruh… We are in for an explosion of political violence… Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.

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      Just like “Elections are the pressure release of an unhappy populace” trust in rule of law helps prevent people from taking things into their own hands.

      Police protection of right wing shotters, ignoring due process, the supreme court saying it’s ok to break the law if you are Trump. People have lost faith in the instutions of law and are taking things into their own hands.

      This is the result of the Republicans dismantling the norms of government and rule of law.

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      in for

      I think we’ve been in one. After Trump got shot, I predicted that political assassination would be the “cool thing” among the stochastic terrorism types, and that seems to have been true, between Luigi, That guy who killed those legislators in MN, and now this.

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        I would like to note that Luigi Mangione has not been convicted of anything and it has not been proven that he was the one who killed the UnitedHealthCare CEO, there was also a lot of improper police conduct in relation to his arrest.

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          Only the US court system needs to wait for a trial to find Luigi Mangione guilty. The general public is not required to wait for his trial to express their opinion of his guilt.

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          In fact, I’m pretty sure I saw Luigi Mangione outside my local grocery store roughly halfway around the world when the alleged killing happened.

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      No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.

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        You sound like when an abused child tells his baby sister not to do anything to make dad mad

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          You sound like someone who is okay with murdering people you don’t like

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            Well, that doesn’t make any sense at all as a third party reading this bullshit. Perhaps you should calm down and stop reacting and start READING.

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            I wouldn’t murder anyone but I’m certainty not going to be upset when a shit gibbon gets his neck blown out.

            You sound like the kind of person that if someone was getting attacked in the street, you would grab their arms to stop them defending themselves while saying to them that they need to be the better person.

            I would happily kick you in the face if that were ever the case

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              That’s such a stupid example. This isn’t a Luigi moment, Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people’s deaths. There are indeed people I would not feel bad about, but congrats on making most normal Americans (outside of this little terrorist bubble) feeling bad for Charlie Kirk and his now-fatherless children because some random guy didn’t like what they heard on the Internet. I’m sure MAGA will resign any day now and install Bernie Sanders as president because your threw a murderous hissy fit. 👍

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                Charlie Kirk was spreading horrible messaging to the youth of America. He spread racism, homophobia, sexism, and hatred. This is closer to a Luigi moment than anything else. You don’t know what you are talking about.

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                  Hope you have a good job, you’re gonna be spending a fortune on bullets

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                Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people’s deaths

                Seconds before getting owned in the marketplace of ideas, Kirk had literally said trans people are responsible for “too many” school shootings.

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                  And i think MAGA is responsible for a large number of shootings so I guess im a clear target for some right-wing nutjob to leave my child fatherless too now.

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          Always remember yall, they hate us for existing, we hate them for the harm they cause to others. We are not the same.

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          Now they’ll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won’t be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.

          Nothing good has been accomplished here.

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            On Gab Social they’re already saying that there’s no point in being a “moderate” might as well go full-fash and arm to the teeth. If the left will kill a conservative jew-lover like Charlie Kirk, then the bar for a justified shooting is very low.

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            Nothing good has been accomplished here.

            Kirk’s assassination will put a chill on professional haters being bold enough to spew their hate in public venues.

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        Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he’s a jew simp and threatened him.

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          Why blame Nazis? You are clearly demonstrating that there are plenty of leftists willing to murder people they disagree with on the Internet

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            How about you take those pearls you are clutching so tightly, and go tell every millionaire, executive, board members, police/ice agent, and nazi this warning. Because apparently you nor them have ever picked up a history book. This only ends one way unless they fuck off to their private sex islands leaving all their wealth. That or them and/or their offspring’s remains will be strung up in the streets as a cautionary tail. I’m not threatening anyone. It’s no different that 2+2=4. Authoritarianism plus inequality equals a lot of dead people.

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              Violent revolution requires hearts and minds, it requires a people so oppressed and wronged that a popular uprising is possible. Unfortunately that means you have to suffer to some degree before that becomes a viable path to retaking power. You can’t skip past it, because then you are standing by yourself looking like nothing more than one of the theoretical leftist terrorists radicals they keep talking about, which i always found ridiculous until i saw the reactions here.

              This isn’t some Luigi moment, he wasn’t sitting around deciding who lives and dies, he was just a right-winger with a social media presence, and i happen to follow a lot of left-wingers with a social media presence who I’d prefer to not see targeted for murder by a bunch of crazies just because they don’t like what they hear.

              Revolution is going to require you to step out of your bubble and understand that most Americans, including progressives like me who didn’t even vote for Clinton because they were not progressive enough, will find your reaction appalling and will never endorse this sort of depravity. Do something more productive with those emotions, understand that good things do not come quickly or easily, and that this has not achieved a single good thing.

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                Uhhhhhhh popular up rising. Have you just been online? Have you just been watching “main stream” news? Has your life been that comfortable?

                For the last time no one is dumb to what you are trying to say. Say I’m in a bubble? Bruh… Go spend your energy somewhere else on individuals that actually need to hear your words. Because we know. There’s more than enough popular connections going on. You just aren’t connected to your community. My community is gearing up for tougher times than we are currently dealing with. So go on. Keep acting like your bubble is a litmus test for whats going on. You are obviously overlooking tons of organizing and ground work going on in communities different than your own.

                Go spend your flowery words on those that actually need it. Because many demographics and communities are organized and are ready for what comes next.

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                  Take a break from the internet and go discuss with your community about your proposal of shooting people in the neck when they say shit you don’t like and have a big enough view count and see how much help they think you are to their problems.

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            Agreed, no one ever thinks of the poor Nazis. What did they ever do to hurt anyone?

            …Recently. No, more recently than you’re thinking. Like, they haven’t killed or lynched anyone in the last 30 seconds, have they? QED!

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        This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.

        For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.

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    One reason why we don’t kill is because we are not used to it. I never killed anybody, but I have done just the same thing. I have had a great deal of satisfaction over many obituary notices that I have read. I never got into the habit of killing. I could mention the names of many that it would please me if I could read their obituaries in the paper in the morning,

    ~ Clarence Darrow

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      How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn’t Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.

      Seriously, I’m shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.

      Don’t forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer…

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        If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.

        A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.

        If there’s anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would’ve prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.

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          If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else.

          Trump isn’t invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.

          At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.

          What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he’s not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.

          A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues

          Again, what issue is solved? I don’t understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.

          there was never going to be enough capitulation

          I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement… But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.

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            Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him.

            The “Epstein thing” is never going to have reprecussions within Trump’s natural lifespan. Those “50yr birthday cards” that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.

            What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a “deep fake” and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it’s existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn’t matter.

            he’s not irreplaceable

            Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you’re saying and I unfortunately don’t think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It’s how the state has kept “leftist” orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.

            There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.

            You need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.

            I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don’t see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you’re seeing here?

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        Yes, I agree, but those fears took a bit to set in. Whereas my initial reaction was to “person who supports your extermination is no longer”

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      After the attempt on Trump, I thought these guys had force fields around them. One shot, 200 yards, and a great day.

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        Nope. You don’t get schadenfreude when you are defending yourself from someone determined to kill you, your family, and everyone who isn’t openly nazi.

        More “Whew, that nazi almost killed Indiana Jones before tripping and getting run over by a tank!” and Less “I’m glad you got hurt by the door you refuse to fix.”

        Calibrate your enthusiasm.

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    These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other’s lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.

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      He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.

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        I was curious what the topic of his speech was but I didn’t want to watch the video. What was he talking about?

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          An audience member asked how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years.

          Charlie says “Way too many”.

          The audience member responds, only five.

          Then the audience member asks, “And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?”

          “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked back.

          BANG

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            Confronted with statistics that don’t fit my narrative. Better pivot to the “black people are violent” defense.

            Literally the last thought in this racist piece of shits head. Glorious.

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          I certainly didn’t watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to “how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?” was “too many”… the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.

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          Gun violence, funnily enough. He had just finished the quintessential conservative “black and trans people cause most mass shootings” argument.

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      Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I’m sure inside they’re fucking scared, trying to guess how much they’ll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.

      https://archive.is/3N4JR

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        “America has lost one of its greatest champions,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller wrote on X. “All of us must now dedicate ourselves to defeating the evil that stole Charlie from this world.”

        Laura Loomer, a MAGA loyalist who has Trump’s ear, called for “cracking down on the Left with the full force of the government. Every single Left wing group that funds violent protests needs to be shut down and prosecuted. No mercy.”

        Elon Musk, the X platform’s billionaire owner, was even more blunt. “The Left is the party of murder,” he wrote.

        Jesus fucking Christ, these people are capable massive cognitive dissonance. It’s not surprising as it’s right out of the fascist playbook.

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          Yet they completely ignore that a guy went around killing & attempting to kill Democrats just the other month at their homes.