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      Dumbfucks believed the orange guy who was sitting in front of the billionaires. Lets not forget that a third of the us isn’t capable of reading above the 6th grade level.

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    It ain’t about “having too much”. Billionaires shouldn’t exist. Ipso facto, their very existence only shows that corruption and greed can influence anything to point that whatever that thing is only serves those corrupted. End it. There should be no Billionaires.

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        It’s the POWER that a billion bucks holds that’s dangerous. We now have numerous billionaires with enough money to negotiate their own terms with foreign governments, without regard to how it might affect America as a whole. Eventually, world-wide power will be held by the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and instead of countries regulating THEM, they’ll be regulating the countries to suit their own selfish purposes.

        And eventually, that will lead to Sociopathic Oligarchs making conflicting demands, and they’ll end up going to war with each other, with countries and citizens caught in the crossfire.

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      Are you not aware that poor people have smartphones these days? Back in my day being poor meant having absolutely nothing. I say we take their phones away and their shoes too for good measure. That way they’ll know what true poverty is like /s

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        I’m more surprised that the survey even had that as an option. I think the survey options were just:

        • the rich have too much
        • the poor have too much
        • they have about the same

        Kind of a braindead survey tbh and probably doesn’t justify an article.

        I mean the literal definition of poor is that they don’t have enough.

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    72% is way too low given how insane the current wealth distribution is. Fully 1/4 of the population have drunk the kool-aid

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    friendly reminder, it would take 1,460,714,285 weeks of minimum wage to earn musks net worth. That’s 27 million years.

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      Friendly reminder that even someone making $1M per year today still has less true buying power than a 10 year old child laborer earning $1 per hour in the late 1950s

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    The rich have too much by definition, but billionaires in America have an historically obscene amount of wealth. Wealth inequality in today’s America has surpassed pre-Revolution France.

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        It is a zero sum game. The rich are addicted to power over others despite data showing that even they would be happier in a more equitable society (see TED talk by Richard Wilkinson called “Spirit Level”).

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          It’s not a zero sum game. If someone is unemployed, they become employed and create some goods or services, they both can spend more money and the business can sell it for more money than they pay out as salary

          So you have created wealth that didn’t exist before. It is possible for everyone to be rich, provided we automate enough tasks that nobody is wasting time on menial labor

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            The money supply is fixed. Government prints money but not to cover new jobs. It is all about transfer of wealth.

            We could all be moderately wealthy if Billionaires were not a thing. Basic Income is perhaps feasible too.

            Economist Gary Stevenson explains it well. He has over a million views of each video on YouTube.

            He is working class as fuck but graduated from LSE & Oxford and then made millions since 2008 betting that inequality will rise and that most people will be worse off. He was the most successful trader for Citibank but quit in disgust and to reveal the scam to the public. Now with a best-selling book.

            https://youtu.be/BRvMuefnl0k

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              The government lowers interest rates to increase economic growth and when the inflation is low. Lending increases the money supply because banks are not required to have full reserves. So yes, the Fed actually increases the effective money supply at the correct rate depending on whether they want the economy to grow or to control inflation

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                The supply in circulation. Bonds are promissory notes. I don’t think the money disappears from ledgers.

                The fractional reserve is fixed AFAIK.

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                  Circulation doesn’t matter. Let me give you adb example.

                  Let’s say my mom sells her house. The buyer takes out a loan from the bank. My mom gets $300,000 in cash to her bank account, the buyer loses 20% down payment so he’s down $60,000. The bank reserves 10% which is $24,000

                  Suddenly the economy just got a boost of $300,000 - $60,000 - $24,000 = $216,000

                  When my mom spends that money, it goes to the bank accounts of businesses so it just stays as numbers. Nobody needs to take any cash out, but everyone gets richer

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    The survey only involved like 950 people and it only defined it as, “the rich” which seems pretty vague. Given the survey also mentions Bezos and Musk it wouldn’t surprise me if that is the group having too much on this survey, not humble millionaires like you and me.

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      Don’t forget all of the people who will certainly be millionaires in the future! They will definitely not be middle class and delusional for the rest of their lives

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        Middle-class people will be millionaires.

        $1M equates to $40k/year income in retirement at a 4% SWR (safe withdrawal rate). In 2025, that’s not actually a lot, even if you have Social Security on top of it.

        If you’re not a millionaire by the time you’re retired, you’re damn near impoverished. The only way for that to count as “middle class” (in the “close to the median income” sense) is if the middle class is destroyed (in the “existing separate and distinct from the lower class” sense).

        (INB4 somebody chimes in with “it never was separate and distinct” – yeah, yeah, I know, working-class solidarity and all that. But you get my point, right?)

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        The difference between a million and a billion is about a billion. So even millionaires look like pathetic poors to Billionaires.

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      “Donald Trump stands up for the little guy like you and me” - the mental giants we’re dealing with

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      Voting doesnt mean shit.

      Assuming the numbers aren’t straight up fake and red team didnt cheat at the last mile.¹

      Assuming everyone who wanted to got to²

      And most people weren’t so demoralized by every option that remotely represented them or ehat they wanted be ratfucked or blatant lies that just flipped and did the same old shit anyway³

      You still have a shitty system made to disenfranchise people by choosing aristocratic proxies rather than members of their communities, keeping them alienated at every step from the actual decision making that effects their lives.

      ¹you’d have to be dumber than a box of disposable hammers

      ²delusional, bigoted or both

      ³have you talked to an american this century? Just read a history book?

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        Why do you have a bunch of unnecessary sourcing notes with no sources? What’s with the little ones and twos?

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          They’re called foot notes¹, and while most often used for citing sources¹, they can also be used to include tangential or repeated information without breaking flow, as demonstrated here¹! Also for comedic or other effect.

          ¹you fool!

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      No, this one ends with these same people continuing to vote for Republicans because they’re awful people.

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      I wish but I dunno… Occupy Wall St fell apart, and I think without a dedicated leftist group organization this is bound to fail as well. The red scare broke any chance of a labor party in the country for generations, and assuming we survive the current dictator (and I’m somewhat optimistic so let’s go with that), I think we’ll be back to status quo soon enough. There was a brief period during lockdown where even normies could somewhat tell that money is all just kinda made up, but that’s a distant memory at this point.

      I think the absolute limit of what we can realistically hope for during a regime change is better health care, and don’t get me wrong that would be a huge step in the right direction. But otherwise I don’t have much expectation that we’ll stop being wage slaves, let alone be eating the rich any time soon.

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      There was no voting that way, that’s the whole damn problem. Neither candidate promised to do anything substantial about wealth inequality.